Wow - you guys are doing a great job reporting & keeping on top of this. Please continue on this path.

Adam, your coverage of this tragedy has been better by far than any other media source, keep up the good work.

Thanks for the scoop, Patch!! Another thing that I thought didn't quite add up in this story was that Sgt. Loggins seemed to be well known to take his daughters to the high school in the morning frequently, but the Deputy seemed to have no idea about this. I wondered if the Deputy was new to that shift or area, because if that was his usual spot to catch up on reports and look out for speeders or whatever, you'd think he wouldn't have acted so extreme when the Yukon drove through the gate, because he would have known the gate wasn't usually locked, and that some people go there at that early hour sometimes.
The info about being recenty transferred from the Academy is sure to get a lot of scrutiny...

Wow this is why I lost a great friend. Family man and devout christian person to someone who shouldn't been identified as an officer

This deputy looks like he needs to mix in a salad and treadmill! An unfortunate case, nonetheless.

Kind of eerie quotes at the end of this 2010 story, I think, given the present incident.
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/sandberg-242339-child-car.html

"...Jim Amormino also declined to comment, saying, "I don't know his [the shooter's] name."

If this is true there are two options as I see it, either it's true and Amormino is grossly incompetent or it's a lie his representation of the OCSD is egregious beyond comprehension.

High Strung is another way of saying Nervous Nelly. "Problem" ? No doubt.
And a citation from filth tainted Carona for actually performing like a human being.
What a tragedy this whole story is.
My heart breaks for Manny's girls.

I just reread this article.. If the "Law Enforcment" sources gave his name and don't want to be identified it may be a chink in the armor.
He may actually have to pay for his horrible judgement.
Oh how I long for the days of Peace Officer.

THIS SOUNDS STRANGE TO ME. A MARINE NCO WITH A GREAT REPUTATION VS. HIGH STRUNG COP....MUST BE MORE TO THIS STORY...GREAT JOB COVERING THIS AS THINGS DEVELOPE....

Is the developing police state, now going to lose one of it's finest? FLUSH

find it funny how everyone was commenting about the cops are fat and bald, then what do they show pic of? A fat and bald cop. Yeah he hasnt been in Marines for a while.

It will be interesting to say the least, to hear the OCSD's explanation of why they had to kill Manny. Was he threatening his children with a firearm? Was he strangling one of them? There are plenty of times when deadly force is absolutely required in situations. But the frequency of officer involved shootings where the "suspect" is killed appear to be more and more frequent; many of these incidents make you scratch your head any say "why did they use 2 entire magazines of ammunition to do it?" And to make matters even worse, once information trickles out it appears as though the institutions that represent the LEO twist and cover-up facts that sully their cases.

1. The Kelly Thomas incident. Classic case of a corrupt police department with no leadership.
2. The Douglas Zerby shooting in Long Beach. http://belmontshore.patch.com/articles/police-chief-autopsy-shows-doug-zerbys-arms-outstretched-when-officers-fatally-shot-him-2

Lmao. Everybody jump jump the gun. If Sandburg was the one killed in the same situtation you all would be writing about how a life saver and medal of courage winner was taken too early. High strung cop.... Lol, I know several officers and most of them can be considered "high strung." All I am saying is that people should at least wait for more information prior to formulating judgments about this officer.

Great reporting Patch guys! You're the only place we get current and correct information!

I have watched the Orange County Sheriff's Dept. violate civil rights for YEARS in South County. (Especially the high school kids' civil rights--for years they have been stopping them, detaining them and searching them with COMPLETE disregard for the 4th Amendment and its protection from illegal searches and seizures.) I have feared that their renegade "above the law" practices would one day come to someone being killed by their brazen disregard for (and out of touch with) situations where no crime is being committed, but they are required to use critical thinking. Fact is, the OC Sheriff's Dept. is a problem due to (generally) being out of touch with society due to its xenophobic and megalomaniac tendencies--it is fatally flawed because, inter alia, they make these guys work the jail in Santa Ana for years before they see any patrol duty. By the time they hit the street they have been cussed at (called things you wouldn't call your worst enemy), spit on, and physically threatened. They are, unfortunately, conditioned to believe that EVERYONE is a criminal. And, FYI, I am a property tax paying homeowner in S County who counts many friends in law enforcement. BUT, most don't respect the Orange County Sheriff's officers because of the way they drive around in S County like the Gestapo trying to intimidate tax payers whose tax dollars PAY THEIR SALARIES.  Okay, I have said enough. I have held my tongue for years, but could no longer be silent given this tragedy.

Being a Marine wife of 20 years, this hit close to home. Fortunate for us the Marine Corps brought us here, and we love it. My kids both attend the HS. These stories frighten me, to say the least. Do I have to worry about these officers stopping me, shooting me, my kids? Illegally searching my daughter? This is extremely sad, that we must live in fear of the authorities that are payed to protect us.
I didn't formally know this Marine, but I have ran into him several times. He appeared friendly and respectful, I must say he has beautiful daughters! I am heartbroken that his girls no longer have a loving father, heartbroken that the new baby will never know his/her dad, that his wife must now raise 4 kids alone, because of an officer who made the quick decision to take this mans life.
I will never look at these officers the same.

Kim Edds, a former Orange County Register colleague and spokeswoman for the Association of Orange County Deputy Sheriffs, wanted me to elaborate on the statement in the article about the union declining to comment.
When asked to confirm that Deputy Sandberg was the man who shot Loggins, Edds referred questions to the Orange County Sheriff's Department. The union already made statements concerning the Loggins shooting: http://sanclemente.patch.com/articles/deputies-union-defends-marine-shooting

Great reporting guys!!

Interesting (actually, disturbing) that neither the OCRegister nor LATimes have reported this.

Also - How can Amormino state that he does not know the deputy's name? It is stated in the OCSD Blotter that the PIO was summoned to the scene at 0525:
[02/07/2012 05:25:33 : pos16 : MCFADDENGC] PIO WILLBE ENR
Amormino IS the PIO. Why would he lie???

Im not afraid of the OCSD because I will not go to a HS and crash through a gate with my daughters in the car and not follow orders from a officer of the law. Law enforcement violates 4A rights on a regular basis around the nation not just OC.

Roy, Adam: Thank you for the good reporting. Keep up. OC Register has minimal info. Keep up the good work of informing public of police/sheriff abuse of power

Thanks David and all the commenters who have complimented our work. We appreciate the positive feedback and will continue to follow this story aggressively.

Stan. WTF. Just because the man did not allegedly follow commands does not give the offficer the right to use deadly force. Irrational ? Call for back up. This whole thing stinks to high heaven. LEO need to keep these weapons for only LIFE THREATS against themselves. You start playing the what if card and you have become judge and jury. Stan. Do you think the fact he was black had anything to do with it ? Do you think the fact the Deputy was considered "High Strung" might have anything to do with this case. You dont shoot a man in his car with his daughters in it. NEVER. 3 Rounds ? I say about 5 Million this one will cost the taxpayers.

He committed suicide by cop? Did he say that?
Stan..go back in your cave, start reading and become educated.
Until then s.t.f.u.

Being a cop is no easy task. And you all get the luxury to sit back and scrutinize the actions taken without any real evidence. Let the DA do it's job and investigate.

Without trying to be gruesome or insensitive the family, I think that the coroners report release may shed some light on the tragedy.

I was also wondering if a killing would have happened if Sgt. Loggins was.......

1) A woman
2) Much older
3) Much younger
4) You know what

Read the law and become educated Dave. Smashing through a locked HS gate with your children in the car violates many laws. I wonder what would have happened if Loggins was in Sandburgs place with the same training and protocol of the department. Also, when you tell someone to stfu you lose all credibility and your "expressed concern" goes down the drain. Goodluck.

I have lived in California for almost 55 years ( 0ver 30 of those years in Northern California ) Living in So. California, I have noticed that there seems to be a LOT of
" Gun Happy " police officers here, from LA to San Diego. They should change the name of Los Angeles to Dodge City ! ( remember the show " Gun Smoke " ) Most of the cities here have contract police from the County Sheriffs Departments. I have noticed on TV, the web and newspapers, that there seems to be a lot of these type of incidents where the officer has fired his weapon and asked questions later. This has got to STOP ! I feel that if more ciitizens spoke-up aout these types of incidents, there would be less of these type of " UNcalled-for actions " related to how the Sheriffs handle certain situations like this VERY recent,tragic incdent involving this verteran.
Wil +

The SC Police Services leaves much to be desired...and come across as uncaring and unprofessional...I have had 2 unfortunate interactions with SC Deputies, one for a BS no seatbelt ticket, where the Deputy ultimately admitted I was wearing my seatbelt, but not wearing it properly and I WAS wearing it properly...I beat the ticket in court...another where I was sited for failure to stop on the Pico offramp, where the green turn arrow turns to red instantly...both times the Deputies were rude and unprofessional. For Pete's sake, my mom was cited for not having a front license plate...she's from Arizona where a front plate is not required...and her tags are clearly AZ tags...Our three year old son is really disappointed the Deputies won't even wave back or acknowledge his greetings when he sees them...I mean come on, you're supposed to be a part of this community you police...then you read the articles about a Deputy beating up old men for driving golf carts on the side walk and now this shooting...it's an out of control department. I know we had our own force at one time, maybe it's time we look at reviving the old SCPD?

Law Enforcement has to make tough decisions every day they step out into this crazy world. Nothing is black and white on the street. There is never a perfect scenario when someone gets shot or hurt. Who cares if this Deputy is "High Strung"... Does that mean he's a cold blooded killer who purposely shot a father of two? Ummm no. Or do you think he premeditated killing a Marine based on some fantasy he had on pulling a trigger? I think not. Cops all over this nation want one thing: To go home after a shift to thier families. They don't look for people to kill, the people put themselves in the cop's path and force them to make a difficult decision. You people think you could do better job? strap on the gear, take the oath and stop complaining about something you'll never have the courage to change.

Well said Ryan. Cops are proactive at times but this was a case of reactive policeing that went in a direction nobody would favor.

We have the courage and the right to express points of view Your points are good and valid....but the OCSD and all other law enforcement departments can
always work to LEARN from these tragedies, and attempt to IMPROVE the training and discipline among officers regarding how to MINIMIZE the deaths of the citizens they are sworn to protect. If the actions in this case appear to be illegal, then prosecute the case.

Thou shall not kill.
Why is anyone defending the killer?
clearly ... we have a lot of police officers responding.

I did not know that the police were allowed to discuss recent shooting/homicide incidents ... it's interesting that his friends on facebook were consoling him before it was released to the public.

Wonder what the story would be if the cop was black and the guy was white, was living on Lido Isle by Newport, driving a Mercedes and had HIS kids in the back.

Get this straight POLICE... Don't you think we understand that you are monitoring us?
Are you so stupid to think we are not monitoring you?

We all have computers, we all have cameras on our phones, our technology is far beyond a dash cam. We can stream live. We can hold you accountable. We will NOT accept being killed for not following a verbal order. We will not accept your hostility and abuse.
YOU WILL BE EXPOSED.
ANONYMOUS
We do not forgive, we do not forget.

Bandini nailed it--his 3 yr old can't understand why the OC Sheriffs don't wave back or say, "hi". THIS is what I'm talking about. I pay their salaries; YOU pay their salaries--why do we accept the way they treat us (OR that the same TYPE A attitude might even result in them killing us?) I am a law abiding tax paying citizen with several good friends in law enforcement. I am NOT a cop hater OR just jumping on this bandwagon. Why is this feeling about the OC Sheriffs pervasive? MAYBE, just MAYBE, if these guys would spread a little good will (NOT be too "busy" or too proud to say hi to 3 yr olds, for example), more of us would stick up for them. This is a classic example of "you reap what you sew", and guess what the OCSD has been sewing for YEARS?

Sure seems like a lot of knee-jerk reaction going on here....same as what the police officer is being accused of by the court of public opinion.

Chris, not defending, but the gate might have been locked and the officer hypervigilant due to the bomb scare in September and the 80+ classroom door locks that were glued shut by vandals recently.

I love the arm chair warriors, and keyboard jurors.

Chris I don't know what sgt. Loggin was thinking at that moment so I'm going to try and assume. I also have no idea what the Deputy was thinking or feeling at that moment. This is a sad situation. Dave I completely agree that law enforcement can learn from every circumstance and situation. But the truth behind this situation and countless others, is that none of us will ever know it. The real truth lies with the law enforcers who have to live with it. Most of the time mistakes are not made with malicious intent. But you come here to throw stones when you probably haven't heard or seen any evidence. Why don't you wait until the investigation is over to cast judgment? The DA's office is responsible for handling all officer involved shootings so that agency's don't investigate themselves. And of course you will probably reply with a statement such as, "They ate just as bad as all other cops!" but before you do that; google how many investigations the DA's office has done on these types if incidents. They have a good reputation and a stellar record. Remember that the DA's office is one of the only offices to file charges of murder on a police officer acting under the color of authority (Fullerton).

Thou shall not kill.
The man is deceased.... All these police keep commenting... Saying wait for the investigation.
The investigation does not matter you killed a man ... who had no weapon ....in front of his children . Period.

And we want to discuss what the district attorney's office and the sheriff's office has to say? are these not the same people who are employed by a sheriff who is currently incarcerated? I guess the union thinks it's okay to get a metal from a convicted felon, and consider it a commendation .

Ryan n..... we googled how many incidents similar to this that the d a office has handled as you suggested .... why are there so many incidents? and how do you know about these amounts of incidences?
do you not see a problem? who do you work for? who are you defending?

Do your homework George: nobody is or was employed by Carona, the county employed them. LOL especially not anyone working for the DA's office. Your ignorance is simply rediculous. And I don't remember Sandra Hutchens being incarcerated (current Sheriff if you needed a hint). Do us all a favor and spend some time on google before typing a response.

If Loggins was trying to get his kids out of harms way he would have simply complied after he violated the law by breaking the gate. "Favorable to allowing the suspect to get away and potentially DO MORE HARM." I am confident that the OCSD would have rather had Loggins comply then shot to death but they would rather have him dead then his kids or an officer hurt. This danger would have been real if Loggins had gained control of the vehicle again. Everybody keeps stating that Loggins was unarmed but do you know how fast a vehicle can be pointed at an individual and used as a weapon.

?

And who do you work for?
So I guess everyone was fired from the sheriff's department ... when the convict sheriff was incarcerated? so you're saying that sandra hutchens doesn't have the ability to hire or fire anyone?
clearly you have no idea who we are ...we are anonymous
We do not forgive. We do not forget.
perhaps you should google us ?

I know who anonymous is george. The thing is, I just don't care. Your open ended threats behind a mask don't intimidate me or anyone else. I actually only see a mob of cowards, with a spineless catch phrase, "we do not forgive, we do not forget!" How absolutely brilliant. Don't get on here and start trying to bully your way around. You want to post your opinions then more power to the discussion. But you start throwing around your equivalent to gang signs,go someplace else.

Google anonymous, George is the first hit lol. You have no credibility George. Get your facts straight, write with coherency and maby people will take what you have to say with seriousness. FYI, I study criminology, am not a cop, and do not perticularly like police but this is no reason for me to publicly condemn an officer before an investigation.

Im sure there was plenty of time to engauge the SUSPECT, evaluate the situtation, chase a fleeing suspect, take the keys out of the car, secure the children and take Loggins down with non lethal force before he got back to the car. NOT! Get realistic peoplewatcher.

Or change your name to outinspace, lol.

For all you cop supporters - deadly force us not authorized unless lessor means are used first. SkippIng from verbal straight to deadly force IS NOT justified. Especially when the suspect has no deadly weapon. Excessive force is NOT permitted to stop a threat. Only what is needed can be used. I invite you to look up the CA statutes on this. Further the deputy has changed his
story in the reporting. There us no way unless the department is just blatant crooks is this deputy not a criminal at this point. Period end of story.

Damien: the truth is that deadly force can be used if an officer feels his life of the life of another is in danger. The escalation of force is as follows: verbal, physical, non lethal, less lethal, lethal. Depending on the circumstance an officer may choose to use lethal immidiately. If a suspect exits a vehicle with a gun, should an officer pull out his taser! Lol. No obviously. The officer is going to use lethal force. If a female officer who is 5 foot 2 and weighs 100 pounds in confronted by a male 6 foot 4 and 230 pounds who is hopped up on PCP abd wants to fight, should she try to wrestle him to the ground? No! And Damien also stated that going from verbal to lethal is not justified but that's plain wrong as well. "drop the gun, drop the gun" bang. Damien, instead of inviting us too look up what you call "CA statutes" why don't you go ahead and school us please. I would love to see where this info came from. Just post it straight on here; let us all see this escalation of force CA statute. The only part of your post that makes any sense is, "excessive force is not permitted to stop a threat". BECAUSE EXCESSIVE FORCE is NEVER PERMITTED!

From LATimes March 21, 1997:
"Deputy Darren Sandberg, 25, of Mission Viejo was honored for her actions in an incident that occurred last year as he was returning home from training with another trainee and encountered a 71-year-old man who had suffered a heart attack. Although Sandberg was able to bring the man's pulse back, the man died at the hospital."

her?

According to public records, Darren Sandberg was hired in 1994, that makes him 17 year (+9 months) veteran not 15 year veteran.
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/pay-214126-salaries-sheriff.html?data=1&appSession=46828521616644&RecordID=249&PageID=3&PrevPageID=2&cpipage=1&CPIsortType=&CPIorderBy=&cbCurrentRecordPosition=2#article-data

As far as Sanberg's "honors" for lifesaving - I've worked in emergency medicine, both prehospital and ER, for nearly 30 years. There are more people than I can remember who are alive today because I and my colleagues had the training and experience to provide life-saving treatment, many times at great risk to ourselves. Nobody ever gave us any "honors", and we never expected any; it is our job. Why does law enforcement think that performing CPR on a 71 year-old is so special, that they have ceremonies for the cop that did it? Arrogance...

Natelie Rolen - great find! I copy/pasted it here. $141,000.00/yr is absurd for a cop.

Name: Sandberg, Darren E
Title: Deputy Sheriff II
Agency: Orange County Sheriff-Coroner
Division: Mission Viejo Police Svc.
Hire date: 5/6/1994
2007 BASE
$82,776
PREMIUM
$4,475
OVERTIME
$54,207
TOTAL
$141,458
2006
$77,232

$4,918

$32,428

$114,578

Chris, I'll respond tomorrow to your post. Natalie and Douglas, who cares about how old he is or what awards he has or even how much he makes? What the heck does that have to do with this situation? What is this, his roast? Stay on topic.

Blah blah blah, give it up Chris. Being an officer calls for you to make split second calls. Police shoot to kill not hurt arms, legs etc... Douglas, the awards are 90% bs and this cop is paid wayyy too much as most officers are.

Me thinks that watchdogs have a VERY important and necessary place in our society. They work hard to keep suspects honest and accountable.....at least try to. In my opinion, the best chance watchdogs have at succeeding with their mission is to remain fair, dependable and reliable themselves and to not throw unnecessary fuel on an already volatile fire.....that helps nothing and no one. This quote by Gould comes to my mind....“The most erroneous stories are those we think we know best - and therefore never scrutinize or question.”

Off Topic: Wow $141k, I didnt know law enforcement made so much money. I used to wonder why anyone would want to do that job, but now i see why. I would not say that over 50% of their time is pursuing criminals, depending on area of patrol. I know my brothers in Afghanistan have gone days no rest fighting and killing to really save their own lives for $35k if they are lucky; since most are young Lance Corporals and Corporals who don't get paid sh*t. The ones coming back missing both legs? Guess what they get $100k one time, this should help them for the rest of their lives? hopefully they invest it right, yeah they will get disability but thats not much; and these officers are getting 140k plus a year for potentially confronting danger. I dont remember last time i heard police officer getting blown up and missing legs. Marines come in weekly to Bethesda at least 2 a week, not because they didnt follow protocal but because they walked in the face of danger. Police Officers of California, I am jealous but kudos to you take it if you can get it. * Just a commercial to remind you to appreciate your local veterans*

Back on topic: I am starting to get exhausted reading the same stuff back and forth CriticalThinker saying the duputies were right for some reason with no real support of why it is justified besides they were scared. Scared and fear of your life or someone elses immediate danger of life are totally different; Ryan N Comparing the officer to a 100 lb girl vs a weaponed man, when that officer is FAR from 100 lbs and he wasnt alone"allegedly" and the vehicle wasnt pointed towards him or capable of being pointed towards him with where it was in that drive in. Then Chris McLaughlin having to rebuttal their comments with what seems to be common sense. I can't wait till this "investigation" does come to an end, unfortuanately it probably wont be for months.

At age 15 I showed up at a dance that I was not invited to. When asked, I left. A police officer told me to run. When just walking away, he fired, thnkfully in the air.
I have not trusted police since.

and I am now in my eighties.

Looks like Amormino decided it was suddenly important to find out the name of the deputy who shot a civilian after this story was published on the SC Patch (from the OC Register story published 02/18/12):

"Jim Amormino, spokesman for the Orange County Sheriff's Department, said Saturday that Sandberg has not returned to work since the Feb. 7 shooting."

Good to see, as the Public Information Officer, Amormino decided to take it upon himself to get some information and release it to the public. /sarcasm

If the Marine did not have a deadly weapon in his hands at the time of the shooting. The law enforcement officer who shot and killed him should at least be charged and sentenced to Man Slaughter. Just becouse you have a badge
does not give you a right to kill.
It concerns me that California law enforcement
Have become so aggressive in their tactics that they have no regard or concern for any citizens or persons life,civil rights,or leagal and constitutional righrs.
I and my family will never again travel to spend time or money or vacation out of a port or in california ever again. When you witness law enforcement tackeling people for walking their dog in a supposed limited area or a kid face slammed becouse a cop swore he saw him smoking dope when the kid simply rolled his own cigarett
CALIFORNIAS FINEST FASCIST GISTOPO NAZI FORCE AT WORK TERIFYING THE PUBLIC
California is a prime example of big brother liberal and socilist government

POLCE

SC is a conservative area so more like facist conservative government

Interesting video from the law enforcement perspective regarding Officer Involved Shootings. Apparently produced by the Oregon DOJ and then posted on the OCSD blog on 01/04/12:

http://blog.ocsd.org/post/2012/01/04/Hollywood-vs-Reality-Officer-Involved-Shooting.aspx

Really Loren.....me thinks the carjackers, rapists, child molesters, bank robbers,
home invasions, gang bangers, robbers, drug dealers, drunk drivers etc do a pretty good job of terrifying the public. We don't live in 1960's Mayberry

Well as a liberal thinker you said alot when you said mayberry.
Barny fife was only given one bullet for a reason. Andy being a coservative was saving many peoples lives includeing Barny Fifes life.
The crime is bad and gangs are bad in califonia because of the way the government is run out there.

stop making comments here & start asking real questions to real people. Go after everyone involved, write letters, pritest the actions of this department. Bring the flame under their asses. The truth must come out. Justice wont be served here, but maybe if you get off your butt & actually do something, then this marine's family will have peace.

this officer is murderer hands down. If he was the one shot they would be forcing us to observe some vigil for him. He is an honorless killer and nothing more, yet some people feel he deserves a free pass like so many other cops that kill, beat down people, violate civil rights of others and break laws. Everyday in the news a cop is killing someone because he feels threatened or because the person wouldnt listen. What a joke...blow out a kneecap if you have to....there are many ways cops are trained to handle these situations and if they cant properly use that training and feel they have to unload a clip on someone not only are they piss poor cops....they are piss poor individuals

Read a comment that stated that the wife has been coaching the children so that the cop would look guilty! Really?! I urge the wife to hire her own medical examiner or even her own investigator, which she has every right to do, to get an unbiased investigation. This story has been emotionally draining and I only hope that Sandberg's conscience kicks end. But it doesn't look like it.

The cops says.. That Sgt Loggins was acting "irrationally".. what does that mean exactly? The fact that I am speaking out about the actions of Deputy Sandberg could be determined as irrational.. So insane!

I can't wait James but I know you will say it was a cover up by the DA when they rule this shooting justified. That crappy orderup but a long time ago. Thank you Janet, stole my words. Riptide, officers are trained to shoot to kill. No kneecaps or arms.

Cops are also trained to detain and subdue. I understand sometimes killing becomes an option...but only after all other means are exhausted. Too many bad apples are holding too much power by having a badge and there are too many people protecting them. There are many great officers out there unfortunatly we dont hear about them. Taxpayers and citizens deserve better...justice should be for all not just a select few....crooked cops are of no service to society, as they would have you to believe.

There is no question that this officer shot and killed an unarmed man. By their own official statements the OCSD has said that this officer was not threatened, either verbally or by any action of the victim. Further their official staements have changed details of the account several times. Couple these actions with the precise meaning of the words they have used in defining the officer's action and there is the appearence of an unjustifiable homicide.

That said allow me to take it just on step further. No use of lethal force should ever be automatically condoned by any employee of the people. The results of lethal force are extreme and can never be reversed. There is no "Do over", "whoops, my bad" or "sorry" that makes things better. Therefore every instance of lethal force must be scrutinized to the fullest by both the government and the public. The use of force should be used only as a last resort and even then with the knowledge that you are going to lose everything including your freedom if you aer found to have used poor judgement.

This is certainly not the case in America today. We are inundated with propaganda that cops are in a dangerous situation and they make split second decisions and they are always to be forgiven. Bull biscuits!

THOMAS
ZERBY
LOGGINS

THE ACTIONS OF THE ORANGE COUNTY SHERRIFFS DEPARTMENT ARE OUTRAGEOUS. THEIR EXPLANATIONS DEFY ANY SIMBLANCE OF HUMANITY. IN THE EYES OF THE SHERIFFS DEPARTMENT THE MAN THEY KILL IS ALWAYS AT FAULT.

THE ACTIONS BY THE SHERRIFFS DEPT ARE

As many times as the "official" story has changed, I'm not sure if I buy this gate-crashing bit that Sandberg claims.

Irrespective of all the speculation, one thing is certain: Deputy Darren Sandberg's life will never be the same after this OIS. He has to live with the fact he took a family's father's life in front of the father's daughters. That will be very, very difficult to live with the rest of Deputy Sandberg's life.

Mom was "Right On"
JBS, "ultraconservative","far right","extremist"
Laguna Hills 1971-1989......

Why the hell did he shoot to kill? SHOOT TO KILL? EVERYONE who is reading this blog knows he was shot because he was black. OK, you drive through a locked gate, does that warrant shooting a man to death in front of his daughters? Its a disgrace, Sandberg should be sent to prison.

"CriticalThinkerInFV
6:36 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
I can't wait James but I know you will say it was a cover up by the DA when they rule this shooting justified."

CriticalThinker, if they come back and say it was justified, i would hope they make public their findings to their decision. As of right now I can not see anyway to justify taking someones life for a "possible threat" that he may have drove off and drove crazy causing harm to the kids. He doesnt even know for sure that he was going to, but because he was acting irrational"not listening to commmands" he can now read minds and knew Sgt Loggins was going to right? Like I said, hopefully the full report will show what they can't reveal right. Like what was Sgt Loggins "yelling irrationally" in the field? I want to believe that a police officer is going to make a poor decision like this appears, but i also see when they fully agree with officers shooting, they are quick to justify "the person put up a fight and reached for weapon" "person appeared to have weapon". This case? Nothing! So Criticalthinker if they come back with he was justified but we cant open the investigation? Yeah something will look fishy. But good luck with your decision of support. I hope I AM wrong, If i am wrong I am happy this officer did his job. If you are wrong you look like a freakin idiot with no common sense who just wanted to stir up friends, family and supporters emotions.

Who do you think will be next???
http://anonops.blogspot.com/2012/02/massive-information-dump-by-anonymous.html

I, like many of you, was very disturbed to hear the news when it first came out. Ww have the right to believe and feel any which way we want and that will not change the facts. It is a sad tragedy. I've cried with those who have cried for the loss of a life and i've cried for the man who must now face the results of a quick, very possibly wrong action taken in a haste. Fellow citizens, judging so harshly based on the appearances will do no good to anybody. While a mistake might have been done hate will only create more hate. Are we looking for a society where peace officers will be against civilians and civilians against officers? We have the eyes of thousands of kids watching our reactions and listening to and reading our comments. What is the message we are sending? I want my kids to be law observing citizens and if any of them happens to be end up in law enforcement I want them to be respectful, loving and law abiding enforcers. The truth shall set us free and I sure do hope that in this case the truth and nothing but the truth will emerge and that justice will be served.

With all do respect.... your comment "Are we looking for a society where peace officers will be against civilians and civilians against officers?"
This is the society we are dealing with RIGHT NOW! When a police officer shoots and kills an unarmed man in front of his children, it CLEARLY shows "officers against civilians".

So when a police officer gets shot, I will call it a terrible mistake.
That's Laughable!
I guess this gives us all the right to "make mistakes" against police. Glad to know.
I will tell the cop's family that "Something went very wrong here and we just don't know what" That should make them satisfied while they lay him to rest.
How does this make sense to you? I agree we should stop the hate cycle, let's begin with the police! They can start by firing all the officers that have ever worked under Corona, Hutchens needs to be policed herself... "if only we had more money and resources" is always HER BS answer.... So it's up to us... the community. It's our right to bear arms, and if approached by the police, I hope that there won't be another unfortunate "mistake".

Wi agree with Chris

Patch's latest story: Loggins Shooting Was Avoidable, Police Experts Say

http://patch.com/A-qX3G

I need a definition of what is considered excessive force by police.

Really is a sad situation. The memories I have with the O.C. Sheriff was back in the early 80's when they came to our house and arrested my 62yr old mom for not paying a leash law ticket that had turned into a warrant which she never knew about!. They actually took her to downtown Santa Ana and booked her! All you bozo's that keep on writing "let's wait and see" until this investigation is complete, WAKE UP!.

I have to ask this, they go on about this officers credits, were any of these individuals black. I am fathomed by the fact that an officer is quick to shoot or beat a black man, and would never do the same to a man of another race, and they say racism is dead.