The Politics of Love and Respect, A Retrospective

Lessons from a father ... is civil discourse still possible?

I wrote the following just over one year ago. Quite simply, it reflected my hope for civil political discourse in the upcoming election, my hopes framed by some very important lessons that I learned from my Dad.  

Since writing this blog in September of last year, a lot of water has passed under the bridge.  The national election has tightened dramatically, and tensions are high.  It's virtually impossible to open up Facebook and not see a multitude of sarcastic, and often downright mean posts regarding the Presidential election.  It seems that nowadays one has to be to the right, or to the left.  The idea of reasonable minds meeting in the middle seems to be a quaint, naive idea from a forgotten era.

Since I announced my candidacy for a city council seat here in Rancho Santa Margarita, I've learned firsthand how difficult it is to mount a political campaign, even one for a city council seat in the town I love so much. Although we clearly disagree on a number of issues concerning the future of Rancho Santa Margarita, my opponents are both gentlemen, and our disagreements have been voiced in a civil, respectful manner.  

With only nine days left in this election season, I continue to hope for a level of civil political discourse that will serve to illuminate the issues that will affect us all for many years to come.  We, and our children, deserve nothing less.

Success is not final, failure is not fatal; It's the courage to continue that counts ~ Sir Winston Churchill

When I was a kid, I used to argue with my father about politics all the time; he was the Canadian convert to Nixonian conservatism, and as shocking as it might be to those who know me well, I was the unabashed liberal, well versed in my political posturing, and always eager to debate those whom I believed to be members of the unenlightened masses.

My priorities were whales, rainforests and the preservation of personal freedoms. I was a member of Greenpeace and the Sierra Club. I subscribed to Mother Jones magazine. I took great pride in researching all the issues, at least the issues that mattered to me. I eventually worked on the Gary Hart presidential campaign, and I truly believed that I had reached a political zenith when the then Santa Ana Register published a photo of Gary Hart with his arm around me as I held up a bumper sticker that proclaimed, “It’s OK To Be a Democrat in Orange County.” I was young, but I wasn’t stupid. I cared about the issues that mattered the most to me. What I failed to understand, was that mattered the most to my father.

My father cared about Vietnam, as my older brother (and eventually I) faced the frightening prospect of the military draft. He cared about our national security because he cared about my safety. He cared about the effects of illegal immigration, not because it necessarily affected his life, but because it would affect mine. He cared about the state of public education because it was impossible for my parents to ever consider sending me to private school, or to ever consider paying for my college education. In short, while I was out to save the world, my father was out to save me.

We never agreed, but we never shouted. Certainly, we argued, and I would often consider his tagline of “wait until you get older and own a home, then you’ll understand” to be, at the very least, patronizing. But he respected me and was proud of me. We always disagreed; but we were rarely, if ever, disagreeable with each other.

Were my political opinions wrong? Were his? No, of course not. We were two men, one young, one less so, who firmly believed in what we felt to be true. Both of us researched the issues on which we disagreed, and we approached these issues from completely different perspectives based upon completely different life experiences. Neither of us were mindless lemmings. But, I wonder; in this day and age of reality TV, media bias, sound bites and inflexible political partisanship, is civility in political discourse still possible?

In one of the more powerful addresses that Mr. Obama has delivered as president, he captured the emotion generated by the shock of the Arizona shootings, urging Americans “to expand our moral imaginations, to listen to each other more carefully” and to “remind ourselves of all the ways that our hopes and dreams are bound together. … At a time when our discourse has become so sharply polarized, at a time when we are far too eager to lay the blame for all that ails the world at the feet of those who think differently than we do, it’s important for us to pause for a moment and make sure that we are talking with each other in a way that heals, not a way that wounds.”

Wonderful words, but any dedication to those ideals proved to be lacking. Within months, President Obama, Sarah Palin, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Joe “you lie” Wilson, etc., were tossing insults back and forth more furiously than ever before. During the recent debt limit debate/debacle, Vice President Biden and members of Congress were overheard likening Tea Party members to “terrorists.” Indeed, neither the Republicans nor the Democrats can claim any proven devotion to the concept of political civility, but wouldn’t it be nice if they at least tried? Is it still possible in this day and age?

Let’s face it. There never has been a period in American history where politicians and their supporters acted with civility. Consider the words of Thomas Jefferson during the political campaign of 1800:

“John Adams is a blind, bald crippled toothless man who secretly wants to start a war with France. While he’s not busy importing mistresses from Europe he’s trying to marry one of his sons to a daughter of King George III.”


“John Adams is a hideous hermaphroditical character with neither the force and firmness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman.”

Adams’ response?:

“If Thomas Jefferson is elected, murder, robbery, rape, adultery and incest will be openly taught and practiced, the air will be rent with the cries of the distressed, the soil will be soaked with blood and the nation black with crimes. Are you prepared to see your dwellings in flames? Female chastity violated? Children writhing on the pike?”

Hmmmm … pretty serious stuff! And far more eloquent and inventive than the gaffes that fly from Joe Biden’s mouth on a regular basis! Given over 200 years of political tradition, I suppose it’s just too much to hope for an election without all the mud slinging, name calling and character assassination.

My father passed away when I was 28 years old. My wife and children never had the opportunity to know him, and my father never had the opportunity to see me grow and change with the passing of time. Although our political leanings are now quite similar, this matters not. Regardless of ideology, I think my father would merely want me to pass on some very simple lessons to his three grandchildren:

• Believe what you believe, but only after you take the opportunity to know what you are talking about. There is no substitute for knowledge. In the words of Mark Twain, “Don’t let schooling interfere with your education.”

• Don’t be afraid to change your mind. Challenge your beliefs. Analyze your thoughts. The brain God gave you is meant to be used.

• No politician is the perfect leader. If you are being honest with yourself, you will disagree with some of the positions taken by your preferred candidate; this is a good thing. Support whom you wish, but blind devotion is never a good idea.

• Respect the opinions of those with whom you disagree. And when you disagree, do so without being disagreeable. Shouting is rarely an adequate substitute for a thoughtful, well reasoned opinion.

* Never forget the value of listening. You will never learn anything by talking. “Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.” ~Winston Churchill

With the election cycle of 2012 fast approaching, here’s hoping for a civil discussion about the issues that will affect our lives for years to come. Civil political discourse might be too much to ask for, but I for one am well aware of the politics of love and respect. Thanks for the lesson, Dad.

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Glenn Acosta October 29, 2012 at 02:25 PM
Well, Brad, the campaigning will end in a few days and the focus will turn to governing our city. I’m glad I had the opportunity to get to know you over the last few months. When one’s purpose for running for office is to make a difference, it is the right reason. We are both approaching it from that perspective. Regardless of the election results, let us work together to make our city a better place. All the best, Glenn
Lawrence (Larry) McCook October 29, 2012 at 04:37 PM
I respect both Brad and Glen (and also myself) as fathers and for their involvement in our community. All three of us feel that we can help improve Rancho Santa Margarita. There are some distinct differences in each of us.: Brad is a lawyer and appointed politician to the Planning Commission. I feel that he is running to ensure that his friends Tony Beall/Carol Gamble will potentially always have the third vote power to control every RSM vote! Glen is an elected politician to the Trabuco Water Board and works for the government in Los Angeles County. I am a recently retired President/CEO (moved to RSM in 1998) in the worldwide semiconductor equipment industry (with a proven development success record) willing to help develop and improve the RSM business economy. I truly love our fine city and have accepted no special interest, money from contractors doing business with RSM or any corporate financial support I am not a politician but, I did Co-Chair The 23rd CA Assembly District for Ronald Reagan in his successful bid for Governor in 1966. Larry McCook www.larry4rsm.com
Brad McGirr October 29, 2012 at 05:20 PM
Thanks for the kind words, Glenn. I agree with you completely. Mr. McCook, I thank you for proving my point.
Lawrence (Larry) McCook October 29, 2012 at 05:50 PM
Brad, I love my God, my family and some of my friends. I also love our city and the beauty within. I just see the extreme differences in all of the six candidates for the three seats. You are a good family man and I am quite sure that you totally understand my analysis of the candidates. Kind regards to you, Glenn and your families!
Flores October 29, 2012 at 07:11 PM
What a great article. After reading this I am so proud that I voted for this man.
TrueBlueAmerican October 30, 2012 at 12:59 AM
He seems like an OK man but so do the other two candidates.
TrueBlueAmerican October 30, 2012 at 01:26 AM
I have lived in Rancho Santa Margarita for over 20 years. At least 10 years before it became a city. This is my first day on Patch even though I have commented on both The Orange County Register and on Yahoo for many years as TrueBlueAmerican. Here is the problem with local politics as I see it: Starting two years ago the Attack Ads and derisiveness between candidates and voters appeared and continues on The Council Bench. Now the cohorts of Beall, Gamble & McGirr have caused a major attack article to be mailed to Rancho Voters. It is rumored to have been paid for by the City Contracted Trash Hauler CR&R through their lobbyist and is full of untruths! Kenney Hrabik is no close or personal friend of mine and I am not a Mormon but, lies are lies! Tony Beall signed this deposit refund check for $50,000. and had it returned to Mr. Hrabik. Yes, it was a refund on a business deposit. Not a truthful mailing! Mr. Beall says he gets no pension. It is actually called "Deferred Income" in the amount of approximately $1,300.00 per month. A lawyers play on words. Deferred Income or Pension is all of the same. Unfortunate for Mr. McGirr that he is linked to two politicians who supported such a dishonest and hateful article. Who else would have let this trash go out? Who else would benefit? Shame on the Incumbents!
April Josephson October 30, 2012 at 04:58 AM
TrueBlue, welcome to Patch. It would appear that you signed on merely to post in support of Kenney, as you have not mentioned any of his deception or lack of respect, which has been going on for months. IMO, it is not very civil of you to complain about the lack of civility, and then make false claims against the incumbents while overlooking all of the discord caused by Kenney.
LeAna Bui October 30, 2012 at 06:58 AM
Great article, Brad! I come from a boisterous family of proud "blue-collar Democrats." Marriages and births have expanded our family to include some not-so-liberal views into the family. I think the whole family (the adults anyway) would tell you our favorite time is after a meal around the table as discussion turns to world happenings. It can be loud, it is often contentious, but it is almost always fun and enlightening if everyone remembers to do as you suggested and LISTEN.
RSM5kids October 30, 2012 at 03:11 PM
What a wonderful article! Shame on those who would ignore the lessons Mr. McGirr mentions only to campaign or ridicule. Ms. Bui, we must have the same family!
Katie October 30, 2012 at 03:37 PM
Brad, What are your thoughts on the "Untruthful Hit Piece" on candidate Kenny? Do you think this is fair game in politics? It appears that a PAC funded this on behalf of your running mates. Should our trash company fund "Hit Pieces" on behalf of council members who voted for a no bid contract this past April? This seem corrupt. I would like your thoughts as I weigh my vote. http://articles.dailypilot.com/2012-08-28/news/tn-dpt-0829-cmsd-20120828_1_campaign-donations-sanitary-district-bids-for-trash-collection
Kenney Hrabik October 30, 2012 at 04:53 PM
My opponents' supporter have recently mailed out an UNTRUTHFUL HIT PIECE on me. It is very disappointing that they would stoop to this level. On October 24th, they were presented with a demand that they "Cease and Desist" from distributing false and misleading information about me. Their "Hit Piece" contains several misrepresentations and lies and may subject them to substantial liability for defaming my character. Please say NO to their Dirty Politics! My opponents approved a NON COMPETITIVE BID CONTRACT for a TRASH VENDOR who in turn, paid for a “HIT PIECE." DON’T BELIEVE THE LIES. BELIEVE THE TRUTH…that we need TERM LIMITS to break ties to Special Interests groups and keep our leaders honest. http://articles.dailypilot.com/2012-08-28/news/tn-dpt-0829-cmsd-20120828_1_campaign-donations-sanitary-district-bids-for-trash-collection
April Josephson October 30, 2012 at 04:57 PM
Well said, Glenn...and Brad. RSM has so many great people who want to participate for the right reason. One of the many reasons to love our fine city!
April Josephson October 30, 2012 at 05:03 PM
Welcome to Patch, Katie. You sound an awful lot like "TrueBlueAmerican" who posted yesterday. That certainly isn't being truthful.
April Josephson October 30, 2012 at 05:08 PM
Kenney, if something "untruthful" has been said about you, you have the opportunity to set the record straight. Please explain your position.
April Josephson October 30, 2012 at 05:17 PM
LeAna and 5kids, what great families you have, if they are able to "disagree without being disagreeable," (to quote Brad). My family has resorted to swearing and storming at times over their divergent views. Listening certainly is a good lesson.
Sharon Y. October 30, 2012 at 06:23 PM
Kenny You live in a very large glass house. Excuse me now while I go help at my Childs UNSAFE SCHOOL, or as you would like me to believe.
Dove Canyon Oldtimer October 30, 2012 at 08:25 PM
Oh quit whining Kenney. Welcome to the world of politics. You decided you wanted to play the game, so game on as I see it. If you can't handle the political world, themn maybe you should have thought twice. You bilked the city out of tens of thousands of dollars, yoiu admitted in the settlement that you violated the noise orcdinance and installed unpermitted improvements at your business. But instead of just waliking away with your $50,000 payday at taxpayer expense, you decided you wanted to go to another level. Well suck it up and live with it. You are a disgraceful, dangerous person and you deserve to be exposed.
Kenney Hrabik October 30, 2012 at 09:33 PM
Taken from the Cease and Desist mailed on October 24, 2012 1) Hrabik did not file, or threaten, any litigation against RSM. He merely wrote a one page letter seeking a refund for permit fees he had paid to RSM on the grounds that RSM had made numerous errors in connection with Hrabik's permit application; 2) The claim was not frivolous, as demonstrated by the fact that RSM in fact refunded Hrabik's $50,000; 3) Hrabik never sought $380,000 from RSM. The Committee apparently added up the $235,000 Hrabik said he lost in revenue due to the City's actions, the $85,000 Hrabik paid his attorneys, and the $60,000 Hrabik paid under protest for his conditional use permit. While these three numbers add up to $380,000, Hrabik never sought such an amount from RSM; and 4) Hrabik did not take RSM's tax dollars. The settlement check, reproduced in the Committee's mailer, states in the Memo portion that it is a "Refund Planning Deposit 09-018)." As such, this was Hrabik's money, that RSM held and then refunded to Hrabik, and not tax dollars.
April Josephson October 30, 2012 at 10:23 PM
Kenney, a lot of this sounds like a matter of opinion, not fact. For example—that the $50,000 was not taxpayers' money. If, in fact, it cost as much staff time as you were billed for throughout the lengthy process—which we all know it did (otherwise the city wouldn't have billed for it)—then any money paid to you necessarily comes out of taxpayers' pockets.
Kenney Hrabik October 30, 2012 at 11:39 PM
The city had made numerous errors in processing my permit. That is why I received back part of my planning deposit in a refund. I should not have to fund errors made by city employees. I noticed you covered up Tony Beall's signature on my refund check, on your mailer. That is not being straight with the public. The whole entire council approved my refund. They knew the city had made mistakes. What is your position on city vendor's paying for "Hit Pieces"? To me it appears that the city offers a NO BID CONTRACT and in return council members receive "Hit Pieces" against challengers.
Dove Canyon Oldtimer October 31, 2012 at 12:06 AM
Keep whining Kenney. You have been exposed for the true person you really are. Your only reason for running for city council is to exact revenge on city hall. We know your real agenda is to fire several people on their staff. Your selfish attitude will not be tolerated by the residents of this city. I find it amazing that Steve Baric would support you. I thought he would be a rerasonable person but this appears not the case. Not surprised Jesse supported you. You and him are two peas in a pod. Why don't you take a deep breath, go to church, and try and relieve some of your hatred and anger in some other community.
April Josephson October 31, 2012 at 12:43 AM
Kenney, you continue to prove my point regarding why you should not be elected. I support Brad's belief about being respectful to those with whom you disagree. You OTOH, continue to make accusations and post untruths about me on Patch. Your word choice constantly demonstrates that you have no respect for others or the facts. I had nothing to do with the document you mention. I received it like everyone else, and read that our court case was referenced as one of the factual situations that occurred. Is that why you have made the false statement that I am responsible for this document? Your statements about me are unfounded and unbecoming—just as is parking vehicles around town with statements on them calling people out by name for "personal greed." If that doesn't sound like a personal vendetta, I don't what is. Even though I don't believe you belong on our city council, I have tried to be respectful of everyone, including you. In return, you defame me.
LeAna Bui October 31, 2012 at 05:34 PM
April: While I believe this topic does not really belong under this article, Mr. Hraik is arguing the facts as he sees them and being respectful in his arguments. Mr. Hrabik: I'm a pretty critical observer of the current Council (due to my personal history). I read the contract and circumstances related to the CR&R contract and I don't think our City acted badly here. I do think City vendors giving to sitting City Councilman or candidates smells bad and I would like to see it stop. Maybe the campaign recipients could recommend that the trash hauler give that money to our schools!!
April Josephson October 31, 2012 at 06:22 PM
LeAna, I completely agree that this topic does not belong under this article. Either Kenney or his political handler, under an assumed name brought it up here. It is the same M.O. that has been going on for many months on every political story. Each time the posts are made, they are slanted to benefit Kenney. This is proven by their history. It's almost like Kenney has paid someone to read all of the blogs and post in his favor. That is my opinion. As far as Kenney arguing facts and being respectful, I strenuously disagree. What facts does he have regarding me being behind the mailing? The answer is NONE. I had nothing to do with it, so he couldn't have any. His statement "I noticed you covered up...on your mailer" is not arguing any fact. It is a strong, clear statement accusing me of something that I did not do. Please tell me how that is being respectful? Again, IMO this is exactly why Kenney should not be on our city council. Will he make wrong assumptions of people who stand before council on an issue, and make accusations of them as well? Will he make poor decisions for our city based on his incorrect assumptions? Food for thought...
Lawrence (Larry) McCook October 31, 2012 at 09:16 PM
LeAna, I absolutely agree with you that incumbents and candidates should not be given campaign money or favors from vendors doing business with RSM. In my opinion this is totally unethical! If I am elected, this will be first thing which I will place on the City Council Agenda for a vote. Larry www.larry4rsm.com
Rsm Truth January 29, 2014 at 10:52 PM
I think you are a good guy Brad! It is too bad that you are mixed up and vote with with The Bealls and Carol Gamble!


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