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Does a Large Population Need a Large Government?

A large population does not need a large government. Smaller government equals more freedom for the individual.

A friend recently asked me an interesting question. In a nutshell, he said, “In a big country, does small government make sense?”

People have accused me of wanting to do away with the Federal Government and just live the rules established in the Constitution. Yes, it would be great, but due to human nature it is not possible.

It is because of human nature that our founders came up with the Constitution and the separation of powers.  Because our founders were well read, educated, and experienced people of the world they understood the need for limited government and the need for checks and balances.

We did not start with a big government; it grew to be a big government over time.  One might say it is not big government that is the problem; it is expanding government that is the problem. 

The danger from Government agencies is unchecked growth over time.  The Department of Education is a great example. DOE became a cabinet level position in 1979.  It is considered the smallest of the cabinet-level departments with 5,000 employees.  The Department of Education was not envisioned in the Constitution because it was understood education was the responsibility of the local community.  It was only after the substantial increase in government activism, starting with the FDR administration, that it ever occurred to people to make the Federal Government a player in public education.  Education, for the most part, is not better after the Federal Government became involved.  Effectiveness is never the issue; generally, each government agency finds ways to expand their powers.

The idea is not to single out the DOE, there are others which fit the same thought process which brings us an ever expanding Government.  Among those Federal Agencies, born from an interest in expanding the Federal Government are the Department of Agriculture, Department of Energy, Department of Transportation, Department of Commerce, Department of Labor and the Department of Housing and Urban Development.  In most instances a case was made that it would be more “fair” if the Federal Government intervened to make outcomes more equal.

If the government had come up with a Department of Education and the department had worked in conjunction with states to find the best textbooks, explore the best teaching methods, and set standards for training, it would have been helpful.  The staff of 50 or 60 consultants could have made a huge difference in education.  Notice they would have no rule-making powers.  Also notice, it would not have grown to 5,000 people.

The entire system of government is designed to grow, to expand influence, and to create rules monitored by other bureaucrats.  There is not an occasional review, every few years, asking if the agency is still necessary and if it is giving us a good return on our investment.  Who knows of a government agency sending a note to the budget committee saying they would need less money in the coming year?  Has an agency ever volunteered that they had fulfilled their goals and were no longer needed?  Effectiveness is disregarded in favor of the test of fairness and equal outcomes.

The question is not can we survive with a small government; the question is do we need a huge government to survive?  I say no. I say we can survive with a government (not counting security and military) about 10 percent the size of the government we have now.  In California, during the Reagan years, there was a Grace Committee which came up with a list of items wasting money in State
Government.  It was not immediate, but over a period of time all the efforts of the Grace Committee were defeated by State Government.

A large population does not require a large government. Any population requires a government which has a strict outline of its responsibilities and a system of checks and balances to prevent growth beyond those required boundaries. 

My answer to the question about surviving with small government is yes, it would work, and it would be both less expensive and more effective.  To walk back the government we have now would be met with a fierce battle.  The public unions, the sheer number of federal employees and the political will to cut the government may be too much to overcome. 

The question we might ask about government is not whether it is too large, but does the leadership have the courage to address the issue of size? I’ve heard citizens get the type of government they deserve.  We are definitely getting the type of government we deserve.  When we start demanding accountability and measuring the return on the investment of our tax dollars, we will no longer worry about the size of government.  We will then have a government for the people instead of a social experiment run by the government.

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randy October 15, 2012 at 01:26 pm
Good analysis. Population tripled since 1970's. May be doubled in 10 years from now as longevity will be a new factor to govern while DOE will probably be reformed and rewritten for K-12 system, college/universities, military/law/medical schools, and more to be added for baby boomers who want to keep active. Taxpayers at its best.
MFriedrich October 15, 2012 at 09:06 pm
I think it's helpful to first have a reasonable grip of the facts on this question of big govt. The US Federal Budget of 2013 allocates only 2.77% on Education & Job Training. This includes student financial aid, Pell Grants, funding for K-12 school districts, special education and other job training programs.
The notion of a "fat, dumb and happy government" with "too many employees" should consider the 80-20 principle, the whole budget and all sacred cows. Healthcare - 22.62% of the Federal budget (including Medicare, Medicaid, Research & Drug Safety) Social Security - 20% of the Federal Budget National Defense - 20% Income Security (14.5%) (Welfare, food stamps, housing assistance, child tax credits) These 4 things (80%) are big chunks and make government very big indeed. I find it interesting why we go off the rails about welfare spending as enemy No. 1 in big govt. It should be reviewed carefully for cuts, but with no less fervor than any other government line item on the budget, including National Defense, which is still ridiculous. For crying out loud, Food Stamps are 2.83% of the budget and Federal Unemployment Compensation a whopping 2.52%. Sure. We could rid ourselves of many government depts, employees and services. This is probably good and necessary. I disagree with the idea that local churches, parochial schools and church hospitals should fill in the gaps. I trust them less than big govt. Too many Creflo Dollars and Benny Hinns as it is.
Marge Provenzano October 16, 2012 at 10:22 am
The oil company that caused that huge disaster in Gulf, etc... Loss of 11 lives... Received Corporate Welfare when the applied the financial costs of cleaning and repairing that evilness they caused,... Don't forget that, folks! It's a Corporate Entitlement...
Marge Provenzano October 16, 2012 at 10:45 am
Apology for typo: the word they is not correctly spelled. I think my spelling reviews icon needs a spelling review. Dang!... Why is "reject" put on right hand corner of my comment ??
Marge Provenzano October 16, 2012 at 10:52 am
Why is delete there now? Seeee ... Need overseers preventing any action like that when comments are invited. You toucha my comments.. I breaka yer facea! Hahaha.
MFriedrich October 16, 2012 at 03:01 pm
TARP also comes to mind.
If we're all about declaring war on US citizenry "dependent" on "big government", well then let's make damn sure we know what we're talking about here. Corporations are people my friend. And what about TARP? History will be kind to TARP, no doubt, but it is what it is. Corporate welfare. Some CEOs, like Angelo Mozilo, should have been arrested and prosecuted, but instead parade around Scot free. Why?
Bob Fitzgerald October 16, 2012 at 03:03 pm
yup, got to get rid of that excessive spending! 2,83% of federal budget to feed citizens with food stamps, can't have that! Funding for PBS has to go too, can't afford that. But we can afford huge tax relief for international corporations, S-corps, Big OIl, Big Pharm, Big Banks and other such tax revenue monies that the Congressional military industrial international corporatios decide that government can do without...
Dan Avery October 17, 2012 at 01:49 am
You know what would be interesting, John? And I ask that question having met you at the blogging whateveritiswecallit time. It was an actually fun time for me. I hope it was half that for you at least. Here's what I think would be interesting for you to address. How much it takes to run for office; where the money has to come from to some extent, why it has to come from there, and what you actually think about the process that affects every candidate.
Perhaps in a story like that, we could all actually have a discussion about what is important regarding the nature of our Republic. That would be very healthy it seems to me. It's worth a shot. And you have to take it, because I haven't ever run for office. Sorry about that, man.
MFriedrich October 17, 2012 at 09:32 am
The other reality is that many corporations in the US are sitting on record piles of cash right now and not investing capital in new operations, new hires, etc. because of so much uncertainty and a lack of confidence. These corps can't really invest it elsewhere in investment instruments either because returns across the board suck.
John Webb October 17, 2012 at 05:58 pm
Dan, I enjoy those get togethers and pickup useful information each time. Peter does a great job of opening things up for wide ranging discussions. The run for political office is something I promised to do after the election. There is a lot to talk about and I want to encourage more people to take the plunge and get involved. Look for something around mid November right after Romney is elected and we start asking the question.....now what?
Dan Avery October 17, 2012 at 07:29 pm
Thanks for the response, John. I look forward to the read. Mitt might actually win the popular vote. It's close enough. But you might want to consult Nate Silver as far as the electoral end of things. http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/author/nate-silver/
John Webb October 18, 2012 at 03:16 pm
One of my goals in the coming years is to get you weaned away from the New York Times and introduce to Conservative News Sources and thus save you from the dark side.
Dan Avery October 18, 2012 at 03:20 pm
I wish you luck. :) I'm a Minnesota Liberal. One of us, a man by the name of Humphrey, introduced Nationalized Health Care at the 1932 Democratic Convention. My goal would be to return you to the True Republican Party. Teddy Roosevelt introduced Nationalized Health Care and Social Security at your convention in 1919. I may be off a year or two either way on the dates as this is from memory.
Yeparoo October 18, 2012 at 03:45 pm
"Some CEOs, like Angelo Mozilo, should have been arrested and prosecuted, but instead parade around Scot free. Why?"
- Selective Prosecution - Mozilo knows where the skeletons are - in the closets of offices in D.C. politicians. I would have to believe the "VIP" programs had plenty to do with his getting off scot free. I'm sure BofA really regrets bailing out Countrywide.
Yeparoo October 18, 2012 at 05:47 pm
Dan, Maybe you could enlighten us. Why does RCP (today) show Romney with the Electoral College edge while the NYT shows Obama?
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html
John Webb October 18, 2012 at 06:00 pm
This is a conversation we can have. Teddy Roosevelt is not a true Republican, he was a liberal Republican. As you would guess, the two go together like oil and water. But we can discuss what a true Republican Party member looks like and what they believe. You will find me open to discuss this at length. As a primer, read about Lincoln.
Dan Avery October 18, 2012 at 06:29 pm
Seems to me that Lincoln had a lot more empathy for the downtrodden than the majority of today's Republicans. At least the office holders. I know that doesn't ring true for many members of the republican party. Teddy is an interesting point in the party because he caused a split. I wouldn't define him as liberal anymore than I would define Eisenhower or Nixon as liberal; although both those men seem liberal by the standard bearers of the party today. He was definitely not pro-business, Teddy. And that is what caused the split. The focus on business, capitalism, and profits led to what we have today.
Dan Avery October 18, 2012 at 06:31 pm
Do you know what Teddy quit work every day at 3 to play with the children for an hour? And if he had visitors, like foreign heads of state and such, he made them go out and play too. Then it was back to work. After the children. His favorite game was to pick two points and march in a straight line. This was always outdoors and they would have to figure out a way past all natural obstacles.
John Webb October 18, 2012 at 07:34 pm
Good stories. There is a lot to like about Teddy which is the reason so many know about him as a person AND President. Lincoln did have empathy for the downtrodden. That empathy is the basis for the Republican party. Review history and you will see Republicans took concrete steps to help improve people's lives. Lincoln was willing to face a civil war to free the slaves. During my childhood (way back in the 50's and early 60's) it was the Southern Democrats that dominated the South and prevented minorities from taking their rightful place in society. It was the Republicans that gave President Johnson the votes he needed to pass the civil rights act. So, you could call the Republicans a liberal party throughout history, it is not nomenclature, but steps to protect and promote our country by following our Constitution which defines your place in history. I want to bring you over to the Republican party so you can be on the right side of history. No, please, don't thank me, I'm pulling for you.
tiny October 18, 2012 at 09:45 pm
The question would ultimately come to: is there a reason or purpose to things? If not, then it doesn't matter.
Dan Avery October 19, 2012 at 01:13 am
Much of that is true. So what happened? Once Johnson passed the civil rights act those Southern Dems switched to your party. And every Democratic President up to and including Clinton was from the South. Perhaps we should have let the South succeed. It's been a drain on resources ever since the end of slavery.
I don't see either man who is running as the type to quit at 3 to make sure to play with his kids and get them outdoors. We need another President like that. Maybe a woman would return us to that? We need one in touch with his/her humanity.
Dan Avery October 19, 2012 at 01:15 am
Yeparoo, it's not the NYT; it's Nate Silver. The man is uncanny. You should read up on him and his tendency to analyze the numbers much better than anyone else out there. The NYT was just smart enough to sign him on. Could have been anyone actually that did.
Lawrence (Larry) McCook October 20, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Smaller government truly for the people would be much better. Sometimes it appears that politicians are more interested in having a job than what is actually good for the people. It appears that politicians are more interested in their perception of power than the good of the people. It appears that that politicians have to protect their campaign contributors with favors rather than what is truly good for the people. Politicians have often lost sight of what is actually good for the people.
CDC October 28, 2012 at 04:07 pm
Small government? Don't make us laugh!
If Romney is elected he will install cameras in EVERY bedroom! So much for small government! Wake up dude! There is a TOTAL war on women the rethugs have started since 2010. They (Ryan, Akin, O'Malley) think r@pe is fine, and with their insane logic will make it legal. We have our own Sharia Law in this country. Collect your rocks for the stoning(s) to soon come.
CDC October 28, 2012 at 04:15 pm
Yeah, and the population will sky rocket when Romney's "Small Government" makes birth control totally ILLEGAL. AND IT WILL HAPPEN WITH THAT JACK BOOTED RYAN PUSHING FOR THIS!
So much for your small government pipe dream. We will be living in a police state under Romney/Ryan where the only place to buy birth control will be from a drug dealer.
Joker Joe November 5, 2012 at 06:20 pm
We actually have a small government NOW. The Messiah rules by executive order and the congress is mute.
Joker Joe November 5, 2012 at 06:24 pm
Let's start the war on women.. What a remark and you see how nice the guy and his wife are!!
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