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There Is More to School Protection Than Guns

School children do need protection. An armed guard in itself is not the answer. We should look to those who know what it's like to protect and to serve.

We are now in a National Discussion on how to protect our children while they are in school. I watched the talk shows and there is a clear divide on how this might be accomplished. 

I have a suggestion, based on my years in law enforcement. I tend to agree with those who would place armed guards in our schools. But there is more to protection than guns. There is also a way to do this that leaves the authority with the local school district, while excluding the Federal Government, and its spare no expense programs. Each local school district should decide how best to protect the children in their district. This is a local issue and does not involve the Federal Government.

The average security agent can be trained to use a gun and fight back against a person with a gun. I suggest if this is all we do, there will be unnecessary killings. My answer to this problem is retired police officers.

An item of concern is the uniform and “military type appearance” of security.  Retired police officers dressed in sports jackets and slacks, would appear to the children as a grandparent personality, with no stress invoking image.

We have thousands of policemen, especially here in California, who retire at a relatively young age. These people generally look for something to keep them busy after retirement. I would suggest retired police officers should form the basis of the protection unit for our school system. The best system would consist entirely of retired police officers. If there were not enough retired officers, they could act as supervisors and trainers for those with less experience.

Having a gun and knowing how to use it is only part of a good protection program. This is the reason retired military or the National Guard would not be the best choice. They can handle a weapon, they can stop violence with violence, but they don't have experience dealing with street people. A police officer has years of dealing with people on the street under stressful situations. They deal with people most of us will never meet. It is this experience which will be of equal value to the ability to shoot a bad guy. But more important, the experience will save lives. Lives will be saved in the schools, and also the lives of disturbed shooters, who could be talked out of a shooting.

An example is those mentally ill people who believe they are receiving orders from an outside source. These confused people are often on the street and believe God or some space alien is giving them directions. They are often agitated and fearful that this “director” has control of them. They know something is wrong, but can’t quite put their finger on the cause.

This confusion can lead them to arm themselves for protection. One can never be sure where they will identify the danger. They appear to the public as aggressive, dangerous people. These are the types of mentally ill people who can get themselves shot by an inexperienced security person. But an experienced police officer will have dealt with such conditions numerous times. By listening carefully, giving the mentally ill a chance to explain what is happening, the police officer can help them overcome the “director.”   Once calmed and transported to a hospital, they will be helped instead of being shot. In such cases, a possible tragedy would be avoided.

Another is the person trying to commit suicide. Notice how many of these cases involve notes explaining the actions of the shooter.  Given the opportunity a well-trained street cop can often have a positive effect on the outcome of such a
confrontation. Sometimes the difference between a shooting and a good outcome, is noticing the suspect wants to tell you about his complaint against society.   Once the experienced cop gets the conversation going, the chances of avoiding a shooting improves considerably. Even if it goes bad, there has been time to move children from the area.

Retired police officers often volunteer to help the community they served. Sometimes, they are a little short on retirement money and are willing to accept a position offering lower pay.  The community gets the benefit of their experience and they get additional income added to their retirement.

Not every retired officer would be interested in this job. Every experienced retiree who does volunteer to work in the school reduces the expense to hire full time police officers, or part time security guards, to protect the children.

I am nervous about training people to handle guns and then put them in high stress locations such as our schools. A young police officer, after graduating from a police academy, has a training officer. The training officer will ride with them
until they have experience dealing with a number of calls for service. A police officer will have enough experiences, after a month or two on the streets, to protect themselves and the public. A security officer working in a school could go years without getting the same experience.

We should have armed guards in schools. The guards should be retired police officers. The security should be dressed in slacks and a jacket to reduce stress on the children. The guards should be the command presence in the case of violence in our schools. There is experience to show this will save lives.

Every answer does not require the federal government in our local communities.  There is ample proof they don’t have answers in Washington, let’s not let them spread their failed ideas to our local schools.

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JustUs January 02, 2013 at 09:20 PM
"A lot of talk about your personal preferences. It would be more interesting to listen to your alternate ideas on how to protect children in school." I gave you my idea, John. Select suitable qualified in-house teachers with a background in firearms (prior military or those who have taken an interest in firearms as a hobby), screen them, train them, arm them. And pay them a stipend for the added responsibility. They could protect the kids. If you hired ex-cops (or whatever) you would have to pay them good salaries and benefits. They would probably end up being unionized employees then we'd all get financially hosed again. Why would a "fiscal conservative" want such a thing? The Orange County Sheriff's Office should make it easier for qualified citizens to carry concealed instead of creating a near monopoly for her cops. If I need a cop with a gun I have to wait for 5-15 minutes for him to show up. By that time there's a good chance I'm dead. If more qualified people could legally carry concealed then chances are someone ON SITE would be armed to take out some maniac bent on mass murder. What I say makes PERFECT SENSE. But Sheriff Hutchens wants a monopoly on the protection industry. By the time her cops show up all the damage is already done. All they do is call the coroner and take reports. heh. Worthless.
Joker Joe January 02, 2013 at 09:26 PM
JustUs What you suggest makes cents so it cannot be done!!!!!
John Webb January 02, 2013 at 09:29 PM
Good input JustUs. I hate the idea of guns in schools, I'm just fearful of what is happening. Our schools are not effective right now, so adding to their responsibilites might not be a good idea. On Cops, I don't think they should get additional benefits. The dollar amounts would reflect that it is supplemental income. Cops, more than any other group, are familiar with the typical person depicted in these shootings. Easy on getting on the Cops, things happen, but these are well trained and dedicated people.
JustUs January 02, 2013 at 09:30 PM
As far as helping the mentally ill..... Maybe instead of waging a $billion$ dollar 'war on drugs' they could wage a 'war on mental illness'. Instead of encouraging severely mentally ill people from living like dogs under bridges and doorways - send a team out to help them. Clean them up, medicate them, help find them shelter. You can see them in any downtown area having imaginary conversations with non-existent companions. We treat them worse than animals for Christ sakes. These people are SICK, man. Most mental illness is genetically passed down the family tree. I've known some very good individuals in their 20's with NO ILLICIT DRUG HISTORY who were stricken with schizophrenia. It changed them overnight. Those people need help. Not to be treated like mangy dogs. So I say HELP THOSE PEOPLE. THEY ARE HUMAN BEINGS AND MANY ARE IN THOSE DIRE STRAIGHTS BY NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN! This is all common sense, John. I shouldn't have to tell you these things. You should be able to figure it out on your own. Why do seemingly intelligent people act so darn naive???
JustUs January 02, 2013 at 09:37 PM
Bill Bonney, John Campbell and several other OC republicans won't even come out from under their desks and debate before the public when up for reelection. Imagine that. These frauds are voting for laws that we have to follow and won't even debate the critical issues that the nation faces with their opponent. Yellow bellied COWARDS is what they are. Shameful. These frauds get paid BIG salaries and lucrative benefits. Trust me, none of them fall under ObamaCare that they imposed upon the rest of us. Liars, cheats and harlots is what they are!
JustUs January 02, 2013 at 09:46 PM
"I hate the idea of guns in schools, I'm just fearful of what is happening. Our schools are not effective right now, so adding to their responsibilites might not be a good idea." Hogwash. The armed teachers would be compensated for their time, effort and responsibilities. It would not take any time away from the classroom. And the kids would not even know that they are armed. A cop is no more qualified to handle a crisis situation than is a former active duty soldier. I know because I used to be an active duty military soldier. And I bet I could respond to a crisis situation better than 80% of the cops on the street. "On Cops, I don't think they should get additional benefits. The dollar amounts would reflect that it is supplemental income." Nothing makes a cop special, John. You need to get that out of your head. You've been brainwashed. There are lots of cops on the street who shouldn't be there. And IMO all of them are grossly overpaid for their education. Grossly. It's a farce that most are paid as much if not more than medical doctors with 10-12 years of higher education. Stop with the superman cop stuff, John. You don't wear it well at all.
John Webb January 02, 2013 at 10:18 PM
Just us, on this we will disagree. I too spent a little time in the military and a little time in law enforcement. You are trying to make a point without the experience to tell the difference. I admit it has been 30 years since leaving law enforcement, but our streets are mostly safe and the thin blue line remains between us and those who would live by force and fear. Cops do a job most of us would rather avoid. I didn't say special, I said they had the training. The Marine Corps taught me a lot about an M-60 machine gun, but almost nothing about negotating with the enemy. I get it you don't like Cops, but give the devil their due. They do a pretty good job given the environment in which they work.
JustUs January 02, 2013 at 11:03 PM
You are a politician, John. All politicians that I am familiar with suck up to law enforcement. That's because of the power they wield over the public and through their unions. Is there a chance you are different? Sure. But chances are you're not. I have to go with the odds here. I know ex-soldiers who would run circles around your average cop. To claim that soldiers or marines don't have the training of cops to handle a crisis situation is absolutely ludicrous. Were you ever in combat, man? What the heck are you talking about? The average cop doesn't even pull out his hardware in a 25-30 year career except at a firing range. The average soldier in combat dodges bullets and clears neighborhoods full of enemy combatants. It's not that I don't like cops. Don't pull that malarkey on me, pal. But NO cop should make as much money as a licensed medical doctor with 12 years of higher education and comes out of medical school with $400,000 in student loan debt. Go look at the entry educational level for a local cop. It's a GED, my friend. Local cops get paid more than Federal Agents (FBI, DEA, etc...) who need to have a MIMIMUM of a 4 year degree to get hired. You're not chatting with a 4th grader here, John. Some of us have lived in the real world too. Give us a little credit and stop the misinformation.
John Webb January 02, 2013 at 11:34 PM
I am so conservative I ran against a moderate Republican. Do you really think I'm in favor of public sector unions? Did I ever see combat. Yes. I didn't say others could not handle a crisis. My point is violence should be the last resort. To avoid a shooting others things come first. Most people never have the opportunity to have the training or the experience. A street cop, in one year, has more experience in this area, than anything taught in the military, unless you were in the military police. If someone was a military policeman, they probably got out and joined a police department. Back in the 1980's we were requiring High School Education and additional education for promotion. I would doubt many cops actually have only a GED. Hopefully, there are some policemen out there who can clarify. But only a GED has not been true for years. On the income part, I would ask for your facts. I know a number of doctors and a number of retired police officers. Given the choice, I would rather be the doctor. Misinformation.....don't think so. The idea behind this blog was to offer an idea. It is a good idea with some thought behind it. Attack the idea.
Martin Henderson (Editor) January 03, 2013 at 02:08 AM
Most schools already have someone in charge of security, and it seems this would be the appropriate place to begin if guns become part of the school safety curriculum. There are cops, and former military who are qualified (and unqualified) for the position. A skill set beyond being able to pull the trigger is important to the position; if it's a dedicated security person, then a police resource officer such as exists in Rancho Santa Margarita makes some sense; he may never draw his gun but is a constant source of information and sharing with kids who have problems. That's not solved with a bullet. Not all school shootings are the result of mental illness. My high school (Lindhurst) had four deaths, 10 injuries and (IIRC) about a hundred taken hostage by a former student; the shooter wasn't wasn't mentally ill. The problem with a proposed war on mental illness is that you can't force adults into care they don't want. Once they're 18, if they don't want to be medicated, the rest of us have to live with it. If we could simply round 'em up and treat them, I'd reckon we would not be doing things the American way. Had the right teacher been armed, then the Lindhurst shooter probably wouldn't have killed so many. However, there's no guarantee that an armed teacher would have been in the right building at the time. Most of these killers, IMO, don't value their own life which makes it very hard to combat such an attack. That's the battle we fight with terrorists.
JustUs January 03, 2013 at 02:47 AM
As a politician have you ever protested the 3%@50 pensions that cops get in California? That's easily a $100,000 plus pension after 30 years @ age 50-55. If you support that baloney - YES - you are pro public unions. "My point is violence should be the last resort. To avoid a shooting others things come first." You mean like when the cop shot and killed unarmed decorated Marine Sgt. Manny Loggins in front of his 2 minor inside his car in San Clemente? Did you read that story? There were 4 tough cops on the scene and the shot the poor man in cold blood and terrorized his kids. And I didn't hear any of the cops afterward or the phony politicians thank Sgt. Loggins for his service. Not one moment of silence at any of these phony council or board meetings on a city or county level. heh. Sickening. They shot the man in cold blood for Christ sakes! :( So don't tell me that cops are experts in the field of restraint. Ask Kelly Thomas. "I would doubt many cops actually have only a GED." What the heck are you talking about? Joanne Galinsky replaced Carona as the Acting OC Sheriff and she only had a GED. And she was running the outfit. And if the Acting Sheriff has no more than a lousy GED - it stands to reason that more than a few in the rank and file and poorly educated as well. Btw, medical doctors finished medical school. They deserve BIG salaries. Alot of cops are idiots making more than medical doctors. It's a scam. You know that.
JustUs January 03, 2013 at 03:01 AM
All we need are the right teachers sceened, trained and armed. Pay them a stipend for the added responsibility. We don't need another bureaucracy of retired cops who demand union wages and benefits. We're already bankrupted by public safety budgets. Creating an army of ex-cops in school will be the final nail in our financial coffin. "Not all school shootings are the result of mental illness." All the publicized mass shootings have been mental illness related. No one in his right mind shoots up schools, theaters, etc... if you want to let crazy people run around with paranoid, delusional thoughts then don't complain when one of them goes off the deep end and does irreparable harm to a group of innocent people. "Freedom" does not = allowing a bunch of paranoid psychopaths to run around the streets. Look at that loon in AZ who shot Congresswoman Giffords. Nutty as a fruit cake running the streets and was even allowed to buy a gun after he was BANNED from the community college for his threatening and intimidating bizarre behavior. You want those people running around untreated? Then don't complain when they act out. "However, there's no guarantee that an armed teacher would have been in the right building at the time." There's no guarantee that an armed cop would have been in the right building at the right time either. I'd trust a teacher with a gun before I'd trust a cop with a gun any day.
Martin Henderson (Editor) January 03, 2013 at 01:11 PM
JustUs, because you didn't hear of Lindhurst, don't answer with "all the publicized mass shootings have been mental illness related" because that's not the foundation for truth. Because you're not aware of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist, HAH! (Sorry, couldn't resist) You make valid points, but you can't go stripping adults of their rights in order to treat people. I spoke to a Ladera Ranch mother whose son turned 18 and she can't do a thing to help him—and she's tried. He can function and is his own man despite mental illness and needing guidance of a mom who loves him despite what he becomes when he CHOOSES not to take his medication. She can't make him take his medication, see the doctor, get help. What you're proposing is not an option. The answers must work within the realities of the law. You might be smarter than everyone else, but your ideas won't fly if they aren't legal, so work toward an answer within the realistic options. I suspect if you would trust your kid's life to a teacher with a gun before a retired cop with a gun, you'd be in the minority. I know many teachers who would be perfect candidates for being The Gun on Campus, but they would much rather not have that responsibility. It's one thing to point a gun at someone, another to pull the trigger, another to not abuse it. An uproar looms the first time a teacher screws up with a gun. Some teachers would excel, some cops & military would too. You can't lump all cops (or any group) together.
JustUs January 03, 2013 at 04:07 PM
Martin, I am not saying that your example of Lindhurst didn't happen. But I don't know the circumstances behind it. Are you saying he shot and killed 4 students and took 100 students hostage? Normal people don't do that, Martin. So I question whether he didn't have a screw or two loose upstairs. "You make valid points, but you can't go stripping adults of their rights in order to treat people." That's just an excuse our government uses so that it doesn't have to spend the money to help the severely mentally ill. So they leave them sleeping like dogs under bridges, in doorways and alleyways in the dead of winter under the guise of "freedom" so they aren't obligated to help them. But they'll spend billions on the 'war on drugs' because tons of money are being made off that war. There is no money to be made in a 'war on mental illness'. There's your difference. The laws are made to protect the interests of the government, not the people. And don't let them fool you into believing they are one and the same. They're not. There are lots of teachers with prior military experience or with expertise in firearms, Martin. Plus, they have the added expertise of interacting with kids. Cops are notoriously trigger happy. We constantly see examples of that in the news. Look what they did to Marine Sgt. Manny Loggins in San Clemente if you doubt what I say. Most teachers are more highly educated than your average cop and act with more discretion.
Joker Joe January 03, 2013 at 04:32 PM
The brutal killing of Loggins, gunny, is an example of justice? How in the world can u justify that?
Joker Joe January 03, 2013 at 04:52 PM
Martin You don't arm EVERY teacher. It would depend on the school layout. Maybe 2 to a floor. Mental health help sounds good but there are to many of them and I would guess 98% are just trying to survive instead of shooting up people. The footage I saw regarding regarding mental health folks was they were to busy trying to get money so they could get a fix. I watch these documentaries a lot on the telly. It showed different states and Puerto Rico, (not sure on the spelling) where one guy was shot 12 times and now it is 6 yrs. later. He lifts his shirt and he still has 6" of intestine hanging out of his lower chest. He then stuffs it back into his lower chest area. He is on a horse sedative. That's right, it is for horses. How did he get hooked on this weird drug? The heroin he was originally taking was mixed with this drug to water it down. It shows him walking around the town begging for money from car traffic people and he is like a zombie. When he gets $30 he quits and goes and buys 5 different drugs in foil. Some are more potent then others so that is why he bought 5. JustUs is right about there is no profit in mental health but there is in drugs. DRUGS will destroy any country!!!! It's happening here and now!!! Ask the attorney general of the U.S., Eric Holder, as he guards the borders. Not sure if he is under indictment now or not but just shoot him a mail!!!
Joker Joe January 03, 2013 at 05:11 PM
John Webb Totally respect your view and articles. But this quote is wrong.... "They do a pretty good job given the environment in which they work". Where were they at the start of the L.A. riots? What happened at the murder of Sgt. Loggins? What happened at the Thomas execution? Ever watch a car chase on the telly? It is like the story of "Black Sambo" where the tiger runs after him in a circle and turns into butter. These car chases are a joke! Instead of stopping the driver they follow them for hours at up to 100 mph plus. No though into taking the driver out because he is endangering many others....but in the Sgt. Loggins murder where he is surrounded and standing still he is shot & killed. The procedure is flawed and these are FULLTIME police officers and higher ups that put the public in danger with that policy. I'll take someone trained for school security rather then a cop and I have worked with many detectives.
Joker Joe January 03, 2013 at 05:16 PM
Would be nice to see an FBI pro-filer on these school shootings. From what I can see it is usually a causation male between the ages of 15 and 20ish, maybe.
JustUs January 03, 2013 at 05:23 PM
"Mental health help sounds good but there are to many of them and I would guess 98% are just trying to survive instead of shooting up people." Bill, I am talking about the SEVERELY mentally ill - like the paranoid schizophrenics walking among us who aren't being treated. They got voices going on in their heads telling them to hurt other people. They MUST get treated. If they don't get treated and murder a bunch of innocent people then we as a collective society are to blame for not getting involved. Instead of attacking mental illness these corrupted politicians want to take guns away from the LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS. It's a fascist scam. These corrupted politicians never let a good crisis go to waste! "DRUGS will destroy any country!!!!" The big banks are laundering drug proceeds to add to their profits, Bill. If you don't believe me google HSBC or Wachovia. And they aren't the only ones. Several of the Too Big To Fails have been caught red handed at it. AND NOT ONE BANKER GOES TO JAIL!!! But if Joe6Pack ran a drug money laundering operation from his home the Feds would seize every last dime or asset he had and he would have to PROVE that the money or assets were purchased with legitimate money. PLUS, if convicted of laundering he would go to jail for a MINIMUM MANDATORY 10 YEARS! The fix is in, my friend. I keep telling you that. The fix is in. The laws were made to hose the little guy. The peasant. All the oligarchs are protected and immune from the law!
Martin Henderson (Editor) January 03, 2013 at 05:47 PM
The guy who shot up Lindhurst was PO'd. The term "going postal" is not about mental illness but about people who snap. I agree, if you shoot up a school (or a post office) you're not wired correctly, but you're not necessarily mentally ill. Were the DC snipers mentally ill? Maybe not bright, but I don't think mentally ill IIRC. I agree that you don't arm every teacher. But you can't say teachers are inherently more qualified than required cops. Teachers might be the quickest, easiest fix (although there will be expense in the screening of them) because they're already on campus. I admire John Webb for bringing this idea to the table. It's well-thought out. Perfect? Maybe not. But a good step toward beginning the discussion about what will work and what won't. Let's keep the discussion smart and on point. The Manny Loggins killing doesn't seem like justice, but the final report indicated that the situation was much more complicated than originally considered (and released to the public; read this story http://patch.com/A-yl0J ); it was a how-to on how not to do it. I don't know that if a teacher with a gun had been in the same situation as Officer Sandberg that it would have been handled any better.
Joker Joe January 03, 2013 at 05:50 PM
JustUs I totally know about the banks laundering money. The fine was enormous but they admitted no guilt. lol lol You are right also about the mentally ill but those so far over the hill are not planning to get money they don't have to purchase weapons to shoot up a school. Drugs is there deal. How do you force someone into getting medical treatment. OBAMACARE will not fully kick in until 2014 and adding 10 million more patients to the appointment list of the same amount of doctors we have now would put availability at a premium. Beside the 16 trillion dollar plus debt the U.S. has now can only grew as the Republicans have no backbone. Gotta toss those people aside and just fund other nations like Iraq, Africa, Russia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc. Not enough money to go around, sorry!!!
JustUs January 03, 2013 at 06:32 PM
"The fine was enormous but they admitted no guilt." Bill Bonney, the fine was miniscule compared to their total assets and even compared to the profits that they made off the laundering operations. Wachovia was fined about 20% of their laundering profits. And afterwards the government authorized them to hike their banking fees on their customers to make it all back, plus more. "How do you force someone into getting medical treatment." Untreated paranoid schizphrenics are by definition a danger to themselves and others. I am just saying - don't complain when these nuts go overboard, act out and take out a group of innocent people. You can't have it both ways. You don't want to treat them - and then you hate them when they do the unthinkable. Look what the paranoid schizophrenic did to Congresswoman Giffords in AZ. Look what the paranoid schizophrenic did to the patrons of the Colorado theater. Don't blame guns. Blame mental illness. And we are doing virtually nothing to minimize mental illness. This country breed mental illness. Seriously, it does. We have more crazies in this country than all the other industrialized nations combined. And schizophrenia generally first strikes people 15 to 25 years of age. So it makes sense that males (w/ testosterone at it's peak and schizophrenic) in that age group would be the ones to act out. - IT'S ALL ABOUT MENTAL ILLNESS!
JustUs January 03, 2013 at 06:44 PM
"I agree, if you shoot up a school (or a post office) you're not wired correctly, but you're not necessarily mentally ill." I guess it depends on how one defines "mental illness", Martin. But you have to admit. Most of these publicized shootings when many people are targeted the shooter is clearly mentally ill - with severe mental illness. The Colorado theater shooter, the CT school shooting, the West Virgina University shooter, Congresswoman Gifford's shooter, all the church shooters, etc, etc, etc.... Martin, all I am saying is that unless we get a handle on the mental illness problem in America we are going to see this over and over and over and over again. We are the world capital for mental illness in America. And virtually nothing is done to remedy it. All I am saying is that this nation has no right to complain about these tragic killings when we use "freedom" as an excuse not to have a 'war on mental illness'. I am making perfect sense here, sir. The Manny Loggins shooting was a total miscarriage of justice, Martin. There were 4 cops on the scene. Not one of them tried to stop Sgt. Loggins as he entered his car after acting 'irrationally' on the football field. They left the keys and the 2 small kids in the car. And they shot him in the back when he was totally unarmed. He has no drugs or alcohol in his system. So let's stop making excuses for the cops. The cop who shot him should get fired. But we will have to end up paying $10M for his mistake.
Joker Joe January 03, 2013 at 07:56 PM
JustUs I was not comparing the fines to the bank's assets. I was referencing the amount to what the little people earn. The fine was enormous I never blamed guns. Guns are a tool just like explosives. There is good and bad in everything..
JustUs January 03, 2013 at 08:41 PM
Bill Bonney - the banks and the government are like Guido and Sarducci working together to hose the middle class peasants. This is how it works: The banks launder billions of narco-funds for the cartels. The government steps in and forces the banks to give some of the narco-funds to them in form of fines. The fines are only about 20-30% of the total narco-funds laundered. None of the banking officials are criminally prosecuted for willfully violating drug money laundering laws. Then the government authorized the banks to increase their banking fees that the little people must pay. Don't you see the cycle here and how it works? It's a scam, bro. A corrupted illlicit money making scam between the banks and the government.
Martin Henderson (Editor) January 05, 2013 at 02:55 AM
You make some good points, but unfortunately, they aren't seen as victims so we are unlikely to see any concerts for the benefit to wipe out mental illness. It's unfortunate, because it would save many lives -- not only those who suffer but those affected by the actions of the mentally ill. It would be interesting if Gabby Giffords became the torchbearer for mental illness -- might have that concert after all. I'm not going to dispute the "miscarriage of justice" regarding Loggins, but I do take the stance that it's not always so black and white. There are a number of things that could have happened there that would have likely yielded a different result, but everything also happens in a second or two. Lots of very quick decisions, and sometimes indecision creates the tragedy. Had they removed the kids, and without benefit of a taser, cops would likely have had to beat Loggins to subdue him once he tried to retrieve the kids, and that wouldn't have been very pretty on the nightly news and we'd be having a different discussion (though he would, hopefully, still be alive).
JustUs January 05, 2013 at 04:12 AM
" It would be interesting if Gabby Giffords became the torchbearer for mental illness -- might have that concert after all" Yes, Martin. Even after one of their own was cut down by a severely mentally ill man who was able to purchase a gun only 2 months before he committed the act on Giffords, the clowns in Congress refused to even mention the huge problem we have with mental illness in America or address we should combat it. It's all about the money, Martin. They would rather spend our money on causes with a political payoff - like WAR and the "WAR ON DRUGS". heh. And thank you for reconsidering your opinion on the Sgt. Manny Loggins fatal shooting. We pay cops BIG BUCKS to make quick decisions. We pay them as much as medical doctors with only a GED entry educational requirement. The cops messed up royally and made HUGE mistakes that will cost us taxpayers $10M. None of those cops will get fired or even fined. And there are many unanswered questions that the sheriff's office REFUSES to answer. They are hoping for a quick settlement so it goes away and they can bury the damning evidence so the public can't see it in the legal process. If you knew the truth I bet you would be steaming mad. They shot a man and killed him in front of his minor daughters, Martin. A decorated Marine. The ones they salute at all their council and board meetings. But they never saluted Sgt. Loggins at those meetings. Not once. They are all hypocrites.
CDC January 08, 2013 at 08:07 AM
Lets just arm everyone. Who ever is left standing wins... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLjNJI54GMM
Joker Joe January 08, 2013 at 05:14 PM
Just sayin' http://myfox8.com/2013/01/06/ga-mom-shoots-intruder-5-times-saves-children/
Joker Joe January 08, 2013 at 05:15 PM
JustUs I see it and totally agree. It is a round robin with a chair taken out each time. We the people have to suck it up.

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