Dorner's End Rekindles Memories of Another Shootout

Christopher Dorner's final act was taken from the playbook of another notorious figure in L.A. crime history.

I still remember his name. Cinque. Had no idea what it meant, only that it was the name Donald DeFreeze went by in the Symbionese Liberation Army. And that everybody wanted him.

A lot like Christopher Dorner.

Tuesday had some striking parallels to the SLA shootout, as well as some differences.

Back then, media technology wasn't as advanced. In my town, there were three television channels—four if you included PBS. Yet even without the Internet or cable TV, the SLA was a big, scary deal. It had killed two leaders in the Oakland School District and kidnapped newspaper heiress Patty Hearst.

I remember the flames that roared on our television screen and the hail of bullets between the Los Angeles Police Department and the SLA on May 17, 1974. The firefight was shown via one of the first live broadcast hand-held minicams. I was 350 miles away yet had one of the best seats in the house.

Four decades later, technology again had us mesmerized for this modern Old West shootout. We heard gunfire over a cell phone in the remoteness of Big Bear. We saw law enforcement creeping into the forest from the safety of a helicopter. We watched a cabin burn in high definition.

Tuesday was a lot like that day in '74, a moment that becomes indelibly inked in one's memory. Like the North Hollywood shootout, or the pale-by-comparison chase of O.J. Simpson.

The Big Bear gunfight wasn't particularly surprising. After all, did any of us think Christopher Dorner wouldn't be dead at the conclusion of L.A.'s largest manhunt in almost 40 years?

For those of us old enough, we had seen this scenario before. Once Dorner ended up in the cabin, we knew this was about the only way it could end, barring a mad dash and a rain of bullets from the front door.

Six members of the SLA died in the gun battle with the LAPD at 1466 E. 54th Street. About 9,000 rounds were reportedly exchanged over nearly two hours between the good guys and the bad, both firing automatic weapons.

But, ultimately, it was a tear gas canister—or maybe a smoke bomb—that did the dirty work. The house caught fire. The SLA slithered into a crawl space beneath the structure. And, the story goes, Cinque finally put a bullet in his head before burning alive.

Almost 39 years later, Dorner—another man with a manifesto—also found himself in a room with a tear gas canister. Then a blaze.

And finally—apparently—a bullet to escape the heat.

JustUs February 14, 2013 at 10:48 PM
".Way to defend a fellow Liberal." Not a liberal and not defending anyone, meathead. Apparently you have the reading comprehension acumen of a 2nd grader. "Next time you need an officer of the law, be sure to tell them how you feel about them" In my experience cops are pretty much worthless. They show up after the fact and take a report. A rhesus monkey could do that. If I could opt out of police services and get a discount on my taxes I would do it in a New York City minute. Cops cause many more problems than what they solve. Unneccessary problems too! Smoke that! And way to run away and not debate the points I made in my last comment. The mark of a coward.
Joker Joe March 01, 2013 at 07:01 PM
I am with Joker Joe as far as guns go. This clip proves it. This administration is on top of the food chain.... http://youtu.be/A0IVSGctQIg
JustUs March 01, 2013 at 07:22 PM
HAH. Another example of bloviating idiot leaders who speak about something that they know absolutely nothing about. No wonder the nation is going to hell in a handbasket! :^) Biden giving advice on guns is about like Obama giving advice on the economy or the US Constitution! :^)
fact checker March 01, 2013 at 07:28 PM
Maybe you could post a sign in your yard, JustUs. Something like "I reject any help from law enforcement. I can handle it myself."
JustUs March 01, 2013 at 07:42 PM
"Maybe you could post a sign in your yard, JustUs. Something like "I reject any help from law enforcement. I can handle it myself." Yes, if I could get a commensurate discount on my taxes I would jump at that offer. I would do it tomorrow, in fact.
Joker Joe March 01, 2013 at 07:54 PM
JustUs Now that you mentioned Obama........ You owe me BIG time..... lol lol > http://www.youtube.com/embed/xEYFFiEnUjQ?feature=player_embedded
Joker Joe March 01, 2013 at 07:58 PM
Put on that sign that you will consider the fact that they can fill out a report 20 minutes after the crime happens, though. That is for insurance purposes. You can claim calamity events on the IRS form. Good for a write off and with this economy it is vital.
fact checker March 01, 2013 at 08:07 PM
Oh, I thought you were just talking about protection in your home. Let me know if you can figure a way to opt out of the benefits you receive from protection in other spots. Like on the freeway...other drivers can speed in your vicinity, hit your car (or yourself) and leave the scene or drive recklessly around you since you don't need police protection and can do it on your own. Will you be taking your gun as you drive so you can shoot at will? Or how about when you travel? Are you willing to give up airport security? Not sure how that will work...but maybe the other travelers will be happy to pay your share when they pay their taxes.
JustUs March 01, 2013 at 08:19 PM
"Like on the freeway...other drivers can speed in your vicinity, hit your car (or yourself) and leave the scene or drive recklessly around you since you don't need police protection and can do it on your own." Well, if the police would enforce the laws and impound cars from illegal migrants who drive without a license or insurance, then I would not really worry about hit and run drivers. But the cops only give them a 'notice to appear' citation (LOL!) and let them call a licensed friend to come to the scene and drive their car away! (LOL!) So the police often breed the hit and run drivers by giving unlicensed, uninsured drivers their cars back after them catch them violating our basic traffic laws! If most of us were allowed to carry concealed we wouldn't need police protection. In the worst of all worst possible scenarios where I was forced to defend my very life with lethal force I would even arrange for the transportation of the criminal's corpse to the coroner's office at no charge to the public.
Joker Joe March 01, 2013 at 08:28 PM
JustUs Who pays for the highway security and home security and airport security regarding the thousands of illegals Obama released? Do they pay it? If they do not pay it who pays it for them? If no one pays the security do they put signs up in their yard indicating they can not be secure?
JustUs March 01, 2013 at 08:31 PM
Absolutely Hilarious, Bill Bonney! But the truth oftentimes is! You've heard about the latest on sequestration, right? You know ...... cutting a measley 2% of the Fed budget? That was originally Obama's idea back when they raised the debt ceiling by $2T. Remember? Remember when he told us that we'd have to eat our peas after the Stupid....er.....I mean the Super Committee failed to make the necessary cuts?? And TODAY Obama is reneging on that promise too. Now we are asking to "eat our peas" and he won't let us. He is now fighting against a lousy 2% cut of the Federal budget - the very plan that he, OBAMA, created. He he approved of sequestration before he disapproved of it. Obama is a total disingenuous con man and liar. He can't be trusted about anything and he never keeps his word.
Joker Joe March 01, 2013 at 08:39 PM
JustUs I know Bo was the author of the sequestration. He did it to push it back because it was election time. The election is over. Back to destroying the USA.
Joker Joe March 01, 2013 at 08:41 PM
JustUs No takers on the shooting lessons. I now withdraw my offer as bullets have gone up in price dramatically. (3 fold) They may not take the guns but they maybe taking the bullets.
Joker Joe March 01, 2013 at 08:53 PM
Rep. Calvert Statement on President’s Sequestration "While I believe that the level of spending cuts mandated in sequestration are an important step in putting our government back on a path of fiscal solvency, the across-the-board method is the wrong approach, especially as it pertains to our national security. The savings should be realized through reforms in programs that are the real drivers of our national debt and through tax reform, but the President must come to the table willing to negotiate on those items – so far he hasn’t. The American people should know that our government will continue to function and most Americans will not be negatively impacted by the onset of sequestration in the near-term. Unfortunately, in effort to raise even more taxes, the President has resorted to scare-tactics to frighten the American people; the fact is that federal government spending has increased 25% under President Obama and our Departments and Agencies can absorb the reductions mandated under the Budget Control Act if done intelligently as we have done in the House."
JustUs March 01, 2013 at 09:12 PM
Obama told us that we had to 'eat our peas' and now he says we don't have to 'eat our peas". Which is it?? Btw, I happen to like 'peas' and I want to eat some. In fact I want to eat alot. I approve this message.
Joker Joe March 04, 2013 at 05:27 PM
Sequestration has started and we are all alive and well. Now let's get a leader in Congress.
Joker Joe March 04, 2013 at 05:32 PM
Just gave Syria and Egypt many millions we don't have. Is Syria our next war?
Joker Joe March 04, 2013 at 05:43 PM
The U.S. military has a presence in the Central African Republic, where U.S. special operators are assisting in the hunt for Ugandan warlord Joseph Kony. The Pentagon is building drone bases in Chad and Niger. In Nigeria, U.S. troops are training the local military to fight against the Muslim extremist group, Boko Haram. They’re also supporting the NATO mission in Mali and have drones flying over both Somalia and Kenya. From the Republic of Djibouti in the horn of Africa, U.S. troops coordinate missions across the continent. Also hidden from the public eye is the cost of these programs. U.S. Africa Command, known as AFRICOM, had a budget of $298 million in 2012, a pittance within a defense budget of more than $800 billion. But since many of the programs that are active in Africa are clandestine, it’s impossible to know how much is actually being spent. “We’ve seen deployment of drone bases. We have seen military assistance and training programs,” said John Norris, executive director of the Sustainable Security and Peacebuilding Initiative at the liberal-leaning Center for American Progress. “When you play the counterterrorism card, people say, ‘Let the Defense Department do what it wants.’”
Joker Joe March 04, 2013 at 05:46 PM
Al Gore Here is pro police for you. http://rt.com/usa/nypd-occupy-michael-premo-703/
JustUs March 04, 2013 at 06:16 PM
Yes, we are the global army running $16.5T in debt with another debt ceiling increase on the table. This is exactly how we took the old Soviet Union communists down. We allowed them to bankrupt themselves by overextending militarily. I mean I can clearly envision a train racing down the tracks at 100mph plus when 2 miles up ahead the track ends with a 500 ft. cliff. We are turning into the very system that we literally spent $trillions$ to destroy. Look at all the symptoms - lack of transparency, military overexpansion (remember the 'domino theory' we accused the Soviets of?), forming of a domestic police state, POTUS intimidating American journalists (Woodward) for what they write, the merger of government and business (Wall Street meltdown and subsequent bailouts), government controlled economy with perpetual artificially low interest rates with massive purchases by government of treasury bills (quantitative easing - currently $85B a month), leaders totally disconnected from the will of the people (ie. ObamaCare, Wall Street bailouts (ie. TARP, Stimulus Package), INEQUALITY under the law (2 sets of laws - one for the little people and one for all the connected insiders), government workers with much higher compensations and early retirement defined pensions than the average working stiff, etc..... Make no mistake about it. The writing is all over the wall. We are becoming exactly what we spent $trillions$ to destroy. More truth.
Joker Joe March 04, 2013 at 07:29 PM
I have to agree with you totally JustUs.
JustUs March 04, 2013 at 08:14 PM
It's so blatantly obvious, Bill. Why are so few other people able to connect the dots? It's not that complicated. Really, it's not. All it takes is a little thought. Is the nation that dumbed down? Or is everyone just anestitized? Which is it?
Joker Joe March 04, 2013 at 08:59 PM
I always have an answer to things but on this subject I have none. That is a first. I am TOTALLY confused by the lack of response by the populace. Maybe lack of caring? Maybe dumbing down? Beats me!!! And it is a shame.
tiny March 04, 2013 at 09:03 PM
The old/new British Empire, (global corportatist bankster oligarchy), with King Obama as the colonial governor?
tiny March 04, 2013 at 09:08 PM
Oh, I see. You're talking about the defeated Soviets (Ruskies).
JustUs March 04, 2013 at 09:34 PM
Maybe people are just afraid to speak the truth in our wonderful society of free expression, Bill. Maybe only the stupid ones step forward and speak the truth. Old school people who were raised on the US Constitution which has been eroded and trampled upon. That's fine. I'll be stupid and take 2 steps forward while everyone else takes a step backwards. I'll side with the ones who founded my beloved nation.
jb March 04, 2013 at 10:53 PM
Justus - "Maybe only the stupid ones step forward and speak the truth." Hmmmm.
JustUs March 04, 2013 at 11:00 PM
Don't worry, jb. I'll protect your freedom for ya. heh. Even if it's the 'stupid' thing to do. Some of us do the lifting. Others feel entitled.
jb March 05, 2013 at 02:25 AM
Don't bother "Justus". We do not need or want your type of help.
JustUs March 05, 2013 at 02:43 AM
Grab a seat in the back of the bus and enjoy the scenery. Your fare's been taken care of.


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