Taitz to Argue Obama's Legitimacy as President Before Panel

RSM's Orly Taitz gets another day in court to challenge President Obama's citizenship and right to hold office.

Another day, another day in court for Rancho Santa Margarita's Orly Taitz.

She and lawyer Gary Kreep are to appear before a three-judge federal Appeals Court panel in Pasadena Monday to argue that Barack Obama cannot be the president of the United States—no matter what paperwork the president released last week.

Kreep has said he and Taitz are unfazed by President Obama's release of his long-form Hawaiian birth certificate last week.

The president also gently poked the birther movement at Saturday's White House Correspondent's Dinner.

Kreep and Taitz have lost several legal efforts to disqualify the president from holding that office, and have faced sanctions for abusing the federal court system. Although the original lawsuit sought release of the birth certificate, Kreep told a San Diego television station Friday that the release does not change their position.

Kreep, of Ramona, told KGTV that he and Taitz, a Mission Viejo dentist and attorney from Rancho Santa Margarita, now want their own their forensic experts to examine the president's paperwork.

"We're not sure that's an actual copy of the birth certificate,"' Kreep said in an interview with the San Diego ABC affiliate.

Saturday night in Washington, the president said Donald Trump and other birthers were happy that the long form birth certificate had been released, because it allowed them to investigate other questions like "Did we fake the moon landing? What really happened in Roswell? And where are (missing rappers) Biggie and Tupac?"

Taitz has already been sanctioned by a federal judge in Georgia for misusing the court system to press the issue, but has three separate court actions pending to challenge President's Obama's qualifications to serve the nation.

She told City News Service last week that she questions the birth certificate's authenticity because it lists the president's father's race as African, instead of negro. Kreep and Taitz will also challenge the president's citizenship because they believe he was adopted by a foster father while living in Indonesia as a child, according to the United States Justice Foundation. Kreep is the foundation's executive director.

—City News Service

Jim Leach May 02, 2011 at 03:35 PM
My own reaction to this is to wonder what motivates a person to continue this kind of nonsense. It is, of course, her right and the right of her accomplice to pursue this. I just can't imagine what must drive such an effort.
Pam Ragland May 02, 2011 at 04:02 PM
I totally agree. For what it's worth I used to work in a hospital. In most hospitals the entire certificate are fee form fields-not fill in the blanks. So it would be up ribeye whim of the medical records person to choose the race to fill in.
Pam Ragland May 02, 2011 at 04:03 PM
Free form that is... Crazy iPhone!
Pam Ragland May 02, 2011 at 04:06 PM
And ribeye geez... Takes longer to proof everything with this phone than type it. Anyway it was likely left up to the whim of the person typing the form (it would have been typed back then.) This woman stated it was not a choice on the Census but the Census has nothing to do with Medical Records. Her facts are skewed & she'll just have to keep getting sanctioned sounds like ...
Shripathi Kamath May 02, 2011 at 04:11 PM
What motivates such people? Racism, attention, and the notoriety that accompanies it with the continual exposure in the press, even as the press bemoans that the issue will not go away. Orly Taitz has cashed in, and made her name more popular. Sure, it is in a notorious context, bad PR if you will, but her name is out there, and some people send her money. All she has to do to drop the notoriety and keep the exposure is contribute some money to say the 9/11 victims fund. Or to starving children in Kenya. Presto! Orly Taitz becomes "yeah, she is a wingnut, but she's only doing what she believes in, and by the way, here she is giving to 'the blacks' in Kenya, so she is not a racist" If you can imagine what drives The Patch to give her print space, you have located the driver behind the effort
Peter Schelden (Editor) May 02, 2011 at 04:18 PM
Hi Pam, thanks for joining the conversation. Sorry your iPhone's giving you trouble! Do they still ask for the father/mother's race for birth certificates these days?
Kevin Davidson May 02, 2011 at 06:48 PM
I object somewhat to this article's headline: "Taitz to Argue Obama's Legitimacy as President Before Panel ". She may try to argue argue Obama's Legitimacy , but the court is not going to allow it. The only question she will be allowed to argue is whether the federal district court properly applied the law when it dismissed her case. As for Orly's claim, it's nonsense. The “African” issue comes from a misconception of how “Race” is collected on birth registration forms. Birth data is collected on a “worksheet” from information provided by the father and the mother. This is then transcribed (typed) onto a paper document. The National Center for Health Statistics standards say the the preferable source of information for Father’s Race is the father. The definition of the item is: “The race(s) that best describes what the father considers himself to be.” For this reason, what ever term was current in the United States in 1961 would not be relevant to how Obama’s Kenyan father would answered the question. Kenyans in 1961 used racial categories like "African," "Arab" and "European" -- not "Negro." I would add that this "African" issue was discussed to death when Obama's first birth certificate was released in 2008. (It says Obama's father was "African" too.)
Karen May 02, 2011 at 08:09 PM
So if he isn't really President, does that mean he really didn't facilitate the killing of America's worst enemy? Maybe now all these birthers will shut up and understand what he meant by he had more important things on his mind for the last eight months as he was tracking down a murderer!
Ron Spooner May 02, 2011 at 08:20 PM
Ron Spooner If I were listed as "African" on my birth certificate I could be assumed to be from any of these countries; Algeria Niger Angola Gabon Nigeria Benin Gambia Reunion Botswana Ghana Rwanda Burkina Faso Guinea Sao Tome & Principe Burundi Guinea-Bissau Senegal Cameroon Kenya Seychelles Cape Verde Lesotho Sierra Leone Central African Rep. Liberia Somalia Chad Libya South Africa Comoros Madagascar Sudan Congo (Brazzaville) Malawi Swaziland Congo (DRC, Zaire) Mali Tanzania Cote d'Ivoire Mauritania Togo Djibouti Mauritius Tunisia Egypt Morocco Uganda Equatorial Guinea Mozambique Western Sahara Eritrea Namibia Zambia Ethiopia Zimbabwe Not all have people with 'black' faces!
Plutodog May 02, 2011 at 09:24 PM
Story here and on RC Radio tonight http://www.thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=5807 http://rcradioshow.blogspot.com/
Libby May 02, 2011 at 10:34 PM
I believe that everyone should at the very least hear her out. I understand now what she is saying, because I actually read the information and it does make one stop and wonder. There are so many unanswered questions. Aside from the birth certificate issue, there's a question as to how he was able to travel through Pakistan during a time when they did not allow US passports. Why are there 5 social security cards in his name? Two of them came out of Connecticut. He never lived there! Why was both his and Michelle's law licenses revoked? Why are there records that his mother was actually enrolled in a school in Seattle 3 weeks after his birth? Why did his grandmother state she was present at his birth in Kenya during an interview? Why is there a sign in a small town in Kenya says it's his birthplace? Why won't he release all his documents, including college transcripts. What is he afraid of? There has been much finger pointing at John McCain's birth and why he is declare a US citizen. McCain was born in a US military hospital to TWO active duty parents in an area that was at the time under US control. And Trump is not asking for BO's transcripts because of "racism" or religion or affirmative action, but because there is a high likelihood his education was financed by a foreign student grant! It is believed BO declared himself a foreign student while in college. Please just look at all the evidence before deciding your blind devotion.
Kevin Davidson May 03, 2011 at 02:40 AM
Well I was wrong. They let Taitz talk for 10 minutes and say whatever she wanted. The judges asked her no questions. As a matter of law, she did herself no good arguing something that an appeals court doesn't do. Gary Kreep, on the other hand, did address the standing issue, although he couldn't explain how his plaintiffs have standing in a suit filed after the election.
Kevin Davidson May 03, 2011 at 02:54 AM
The problem is not with your questions with your facts. A million birthers believe that there was a ban on Americans traveling to Pakistan in 1981 when Obama traveled there. They read it in WorldNetDaily. What they didn't read was two 1981 articles in the New York Times promoting travel to Pakistan by Americans, or the 1981 US State Department advisory cautioning Americans that although they could get a 30-day visa FREE at the Pakistan airports, that they should make special arrangements in advance if they were traveling for business or wanted to stay more than 30 days. THERE WAS NO DIFFICULTY FOR AMERICANS TRAVELING TO PAKISTAN IN 1981. Why was Ann Dunham enrolled in Seattle 3 weeks after Obama was born? Well, her grade sheet was released and it was labeled "Correspondence and Extension Learning". The step grandmother really said on that tape, after clearing up confusion, that Obama was born in Hawaii. The birther version edits out that part. The birthers just read their own blogs and so their facts are rumors and wishful thinking amplified by repetition to sound like facts. And when someone points them to the normal news outlets and government sources, then say: "You trust the liberal media?" and "So the government never lies to you?" It's really a confounding problem: but birthers have gone down the rabbit hole into a very different world and once there, they don't come back. I don't write this to convince anyone to change their mind; that doesn't happen.
Kevin Davidson May 03, 2011 at 03:14 AM
I don't understand what point you are trying to make. A typical birth certificate today could have "Asian/Pacific Islander" on it. How is that fundamentally different from "African"? In 1961 Kenyans saw the world through different categories. They used African, Arab, Asian and European (and for some reason Somali) as racial categories.
Kevin Davidson May 03, 2011 at 03:17 AM
As soon as Obama is removed from office by a birther lawsuit and dragged out of the White House in chains, everything Obama has done will be undone and bin Laden will rise up from grave.
Libby May 03, 2011 at 04:57 AM
Only those on official business were issued any visa to travel in Pakistan at that time. Pakistan was under marshall law. No non-Muslims were allowed in, and if a Muslim were to wish entry it was for religious instruction. BO was not there as a tourist. But, of course this could be easily cleared up if he were to release his passport records. Oh! Wait! He won't do that! Golly o gee! Why, oh why would he not wish any of his records to be released? Kevin, admit right here that if this were George Bush who was hiding his info you would be having fits right now.
Shripathi Kamath May 03, 2011 at 05:35 AM
@Kevin, WingNutDaily has actually shamed some birthers into reality, and that takes some doing. I realize that you do not expect anyone to be convinced otherwise, but repeating the facts occasionally can only help shed light on the birther delusions. Thank you.
borderraven May 03, 2011 at 12:37 PM
If you can't understand why Orly Taitz pursues Obama's eligibility, or if you think is is nonsense or motivated by racism, then place burn your voter registration card and stop voting for US presidents. This 3-year pursuit has been to test the validity of the US Constitution and if our elected government are honoring it or just using it as a guide. The constitution does not define law, it is law. Article 2 requires the president be a "natural born citizen", born on US soil and of two US citizens. Barack H Obama II, was born in the Hawaii, and per (circa 1961 law) 8USC1401(a)(1), he would have been native born a US citizen, and under consular jurisdiction of the 1952 British Treaty and the under jurisdiction of British Nationality Act of 1948, Part II(5)(1)(a) he was born a British Citizen, thus a dual-citizen UK/US, and not a natural born citizen, and not constitutionally eligible for the 2008 or 2012 Presidential elections. This is not over. This is is a national scandal. Our Constitution and nation need to be protected against a domestic enemy. We trust the media, scholars and we trusted Nancy Pelosi, to protect US, they failed US.
borderraven May 03, 2011 at 02:22 PM
I want to trust Obama's birth certificate copy published on April 27, 2011, but I have a couple of issues. Why is there no similarity between Obama' August 4, 1961 birth certificate and the Nordyke twins' August 5, 1961 certificate, other than the Island, city, hospital and the certificate number? On Obama' August 4, 1961 birth certificate, why is number "4" in the certificate number, a lighter shade, than the others, considering all were inked from the same pad? Referring to Edith Coats' June 15, 1962 birth certificate, why is it that a year later, in the same hospital, on the same island and same city, both have the same "UK L Lee" Registrar? August 4, 1961 Obama http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf See HRS 338-5 Compulsory registration of births. HRS 338-15 Late or altered certificates. HRS 338-16 Procedure concerning late and altered birth certificates HRS 338-17 Late or altered certificate as evidence. August 5, 1961 http://constitutionallyspeaking.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/m1139416728.gif June 15, 1962 http://passportsusa.com/wp-content/gallery/passportusa/edith_front.jpg (Attending Richard Y Noda, Same 'U K L Lee Registrar as Obama, raised seal)
Kevin Davidson May 03, 2011 at 04:12 PM
Your travel ban is bogus. It is a pack of lies. Read the State Department document from 1961: http://dosfan.lib.uic.edu/ERC/travel/cis/southasia/TA_Pakistan1981.pdf Now come back and admit you were wrong like a decent human being and promise to top repeating false rumors on the Internet.
Jimmy May 03, 2011 at 05:20 PM
Based on your logic, they could have written "Martian" in the box and that would have been okay. Never mind that convention would dictate using the common vernacular of the day - which would have been "Black" or "Negro" - and not whatever the "medical records person" chose.
Jimmy May 03, 2011 at 05:25 PM
OK, Kevin. So where's the Passport? Oh, I know... sealed, thanks to Perkins and Coie and $2 Million dollars of Obama's money. Libby's right - you libtards attacked Bush and questioned everything about the man. Now that Dear Leader is in the WH, you are fine with anything he does. Thankfully, the country is waking up and finally seeing who the enemy is.
Shripathi Kamath May 03, 2011 at 05:56 PM
Yes Jimmy, the idea that the real reason "African" appears instead of "Negro" is because a million dollar "librul" usurper just did not know this common vernacular that you know, makes a lot more sense. Have you considered making a donation? Perhaps she can get to the bottom of this: http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/
Shripathi Kamath May 03, 2011 at 05:58 PM
No Jimmy, you first need to admit that you were wrong like a decent hum... oh wait, carry on. In the meantime, please consider making a generous donation to this lady: http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/


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